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We need more trade restrictions. "Free" trade with the USA should only be with nations that are like we are. Not necessarily as rich as we are but democracies with human rights and labour standards- such as not allowing 9 year olds to work in shoe factories. Those are who we should be trading freely with. The rest I would tariff the hell out of including China until they allow freedom and democracy and labour unions.
There are many poor democracies in the world- even under our own nose- places like Jamaica and Barbados that would be happy to earn a decent wage making TV sets. That is what we should be actively promoting. Only free nations get free trade.
Let's just hope that Obama is more intelligent than to shoot his own nation in the economic foot over disagreements in how a foreign nation is run. And too, slamming the trade door on nations whose philosophies disagree with your own is to slam the door on the very people for whom you seem to have compassion. This is neither compassionate or economically smart.
Ok, you are spinning in circles here. We are in a recession, a recession brought on from the Carter era. That has nothing to do with the problems Unions bring.
Union jobs are not recession proof as I stated earlier. Everything tied to a union is tanking. State, County and City budgets are so overloaded it's rediculous. The biggest reasons are the pay and benefits that are strangling the people that support it. In the public sector that is the tax payer, in the private sector (like General Motors) the Company tanks because no one wants to buy the product.
Union labor is extortion and the leaders would rather tank the business than take concessions during lean times as we are in now.
How absurd. This recession was NOT "brought on from the Carter era."
As for pay and benefits "strangling the people that support it": another absurd statement.
The problem is that the concept of "reasonable profit" has lost its meaning in the corporate world. American business hasn't moved overseas because pay and benefits here are too high. It's moved overseas for one of two reasons:
1) it is forced to do so through price-setting by corporate behemoths
and/or
2) it can make an even bigger profit--ignoring the abandonment of the American worker and American communities, and the subsequent dependence on exploited foreign labor.
The only way to protect workers from extortionist corporate labor policy and practice is unionizing. Even a passing familiarity with American history would teach you this.
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Let's just hope that Obama is more intelligent than to shoot his own nation in the economic foot over disagreements in how a foreign nation is run. And too, slamming the trade door on nations whose philosophies disagree with your own is to slam the door on the very people for whom you seem to have compassion. This is neither compassionate or economically smart.
I think it is. If countries want to have free trade with us, that is a privledge and for that we certainly have every right to demand that they meet certain standards. If you reward evil, you will only get more of it. Europe thought they could deal with Adolph Hitler. They only made him more powerful and made his war machine stronger. We are doing the same with China, the Arabs and Russia. We should want to make stronger those nations that reflect our values and make weaker those who do not.
It's always amusing when a liberal admits to evil in the world but we shall herein just agree to disagree as you and I would surely never agree on what constitutes evil.
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It's always amusing when a liberal admits to evil in the world but we shall herein just agree to disagree as you and I would surely never agree on what constitutes evil.
The whole premise of liberalism is to fight evil and allieviate the effects of evil so I doubt many liberals would say there is no evil in the world.
The problem is that the concept of "reasonable profit" has lost its meaning in the corporate world..
Quite true
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American business hasn't moved overseas because pay and benefits here are too high. It's moved overseas for one of two reasons:
1) it is forced to do so through price-setting by corporate behemoths
and/or
2) it can make an even bigger profit--ignoring the abandonment of the American worker and American communities, and the subsequent dependence on exploited foreign labor.
I believe all of the above are true not to mention all the government requirements/restrictions here like labor laws,evironmental laws etc.
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The only way to protect workers from extortionist corporate labor policy and practice is unionizing. Even a passing familiarity with American history would teach you this.
Here is were we diverge. Having been in two unions and my DW in one we'd NEVER join or remain in one ever again. Unfortunately the unions of today are nothing like they were in the early days, they're just as corrupt and greedy as the companies they go up against. The union bosses are NO different that the CEO's and executives anymore which is a pity.
As for Wal-Mart, having had close up experience with people that work(ed) there it's my opinion that they are a horrible employer (much better when Sam was alive) and encorage incompetent store managers/district managers to act in ways that wouldn't be tolorated in a civilized world.
How absurd. This recession was NOT "brought on from the Carter era."
As for pay and benefits "strangling the people that support it": another absurd statement.
The problem is that the concept of "reasonable profit" has lost its meaning in the corporate world. American business hasn't moved overseas because pay and benefits here are too high. It's moved overseas for one of two reasons:
1) it is forced to do so through price-setting by corporate behemoths
and/or
2) it can make an even bigger profit--ignoring the abandonment of the American worker and American communities, and the subsequent dependence on exploited foreign labor.
The only way to protect workers from extortionist corporate labor policy and practice is unionizing. Even a passing familiarity with American history would teach you this.
Did you even watch the video? It explains step by step what happened. Those articles it shows are facts. Where is your theory and your facts? You can't dispute when you have no factual evidence to prove otherwise.
Your labor definition sounds one step away from Socialism. There is nothing keeping people from getting a decent paying job............but themselves.
Oh look, an entire thread about just the same information in my video. How convenient
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