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Old 02-12-2009, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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"there could be as much as 40 billion barrels of crude lying untouched in eastern Montana."
1 billion barrels of oil = one month U.S. consumption

40 months of oil - big whoop.

We can't drill our way out of this mess. 60 million years to wait for the fossil fuel tank to refill is not an option.

GO ELECTRIC RAIL!
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:51 PM
 
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The suggestion that once political autonomy were achieved by any state, be it Vermont or New Hampshire, they would seek annexation by China, India, or Brazil is ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure you're aware of that. After the Cuban Revolution Castro did not seek to create another Soviet Socialist Republic in Cuba, nor did East Timor seek to be admitted as a province of Brazil or India or any other foreign nation.
And while I do have a special fondness for Andrew Jackson for his allowing the charter of the 2nd Bank of the United States to expire, and despite the fact that he treated the Native peoples of America with a foul harshness as epitomised by the forced march known as the Trail of Tears, I respect him far less than the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson.
As Jefferson once wrote, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers seperation over "union," "I have no hesitation in saying, let us seperate."
And of course the federal government is going to oppose independence for any state, just as George III and the British Parliament opposed the revolution of the 13 colonies from Britain. Those in power have the tendency of wanting to preserve their power, and any attempts to make the government more responsible to the people will be opposed. However, in today's world violence is not only unnecessary but also unlikely. Should any state ever vote to support secession, the eyes of the global community would be on the US with intense focus, waiting to see it betray its own values of self governance. The outcry would be enormous, and the belief in America as the world's lamp of liberty would be forever shattered.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:53 PM
 
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Then tell the Comrade Commissars in DC High Command to obey the Constitution and support the concept of sound money.
Until you cease volunteering to be a "human resource" pledged as collateral on the impossible public debt, they cannot do anything different.

The Federal government ceased redeeming their notes (IOUs) in 1933. (See House Joint Resolution 192). They've been operating with "special drawing rights" from the IMF, based on 300 million "volunteers" via Socialist InSecurity.

Unfortunately, "Sound money" (aka lawful money - gold or silver) is impossible.

For example, Fort Knox depository has only 147 million ounces of gold.
Pursuant to law, that's worth about $2.9 billion dollars.

The public debt is over 10 trillion dollars.

See the problem?

And you can't question the impossible debt because of the 14th amendment.

You really don't have a clue, and that's the way they want it.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:54 PM
 
Location: New York, New York
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And all such duties, imposts and excises are levied on privileges, not rights.
Therefore you can legally avoid taxes, by not buying those privileged items. And Federal taxes were levied upon that which was within their delegated powers - that which crossed state boundaries, or otherwise came under Federal jurisdiction.

There is no capitation tax levied upon people "just because" - unless you're a socialist. But that's by consent, too.
"The individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing. The corporation is an artificial entity which owes its existence and charter powers to the state; but, the individual's rights to live and own property are natural rights for the enjoyment of which an excise cannot be imposed."
Redfield vs Fisher, 292 P. 813, at 819.
Translation: no tax upon one's right to life, liberty and private property ownership.

(BTW - real estate and private property are mutually exclusive. That is why real estate can be sold for back taxes, and no compensation paid to the owner.)
How strongly do you believe what you posted? I have an idea if you believe the trash you posted then I dare you never to pay your taxes again. I would love to see how quickly your appeal based on your post gets thrown out. Like it or not the congress has the right to impose an income tax. I don't care to pay them either but I feel privelaged to live in such a great country and feel that taxes are a small price to pay for the rewards of being an American.
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Old 02-12-2009, 11:57 PM
 
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The suggestion that once political autonomy were achieved by any state, be it Vermont or New Hampshire, they would seek annexation by China, India, or Brazil is ridiculous, and I'm pretty sure you're aware of that. After the Cuban Revolution Castro did not seek to create another Soviet Socialist Republic in Cuba, nor did East Timor seek to be admitted as a province of Brazil or India or any other foreign nation.
And while I do have a special fondness for Andrew Jackson for his allowing the charter of the 2nd Bank of the United States to expire, and despite the fact that he treated the Native peoples of America with a foul harshness as epitomised by the forced march known as the Trail of Tears, I respect him far less than the author of the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson.
As Jefferson once wrote, "If any state in the Union will declare that it prefers seperation over "union," "I have no hesitation in saying, let us seperate."
And of course the federal government is going to oppose independence for any state, just as George III and the British Parliament opposed the revolution of the 13 colonies from Britain. Those in power have the tendency of wanting to preserve their power, and any attempts to make the government more responsible to the people will be opposed. However, in today's world violence is not only unnecessary but also unlikely. Should any state ever vote to support secession, the eyes of the global community would be on the US with intense focus, waiting to see it betray its own values of self governance. The outcry would be enormous, and the belief in America as the world's lamp of liberty would be forever shattered.
Preamble

To all to whom these Presents shall come, we the undersigned Delegates of the States affixed to our Names send greeting.
Articles of Confederation and perpetual Union between the States of New Hampshire, Massachusetts bay, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, Connecticut, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Delaware, Maryland, Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina and Georgia.

Articles of Confederation, 1777
FWIW - the Articles were never repealed nor abolished, and were incorporated by reference into the U.S. Constitution, via Article 6.

Any state that signs up for a perpetual Union has no "right" to secede.
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:02 AM
 
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Oh and by the way, if you include obligations like Social Security and Medicare in the public debt the number soars to a horrifying $52.7 trillion. And this number is probably $1 trillion too short, what with the new trillion dollar "stimulus package."

http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08446cg.pdf
here's the link
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:11 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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Oh and by the way, if you include obligations like Social Security and Medicare in the public debt the number soars to a horrifying $52.7 trillion. And this number is probably $1 trillion too short, what with the new trillion dollar "stimulus package."

http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08446cg.pdf
here's the link
Send your tax-cut back, and get active on bringing our troops home. Then you won't be a hipocrite complaining about entitlement programs.
Tax Cuts: Myths and Realities

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Old 02-13-2009, 12:12 AM
 
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How strongly do you believe what you posted? I have an idea if you believe the trash you posted then I dare you never to pay your taxes again. I would love to see how quickly your appeal based on your post gets thrown out. Like it or not the congress has the right to impose an income tax. I don't care to pay them either but I feel privelaged to live in such a great country and feel that taxes are a small price to pay for the rewards of being an American.
BTW - government has no "rights"... only specially delegated powers, via their constitutions.

I haven't been a taxpayer since 1993, when I left National Socialism. NO, I am not in hiding. I even wasted time picketing IRS offices, and making a nuisance of myself on radio and TV. Chalk it up to youthful exuberance.

There was no implication that Congress had no delegation of authority to tax incomes of taxable entities, engaged in revenue taxable activities. But for the most part, Americans are unaware how they volunteered to be "persons liable".

Here's a hint:
All the people I personally know who were hassled by the EYE ARE US had two things in common: (a) Socialist InSecurity account and number, and (b) Open, interest bearing bank account.
All the people I personally know, myself included, who were NOT hassled, had two things in common: (a) NO SSN (or inactive) and (b) NO interest bearing accounts (usury).

No instrumentality of the Federal Reserve will open an interest bearing bank account for an unnumbered American (God bless their hearts).

See: Ezekiel 18:13 KJV
(But wear your asbestos underwear before reading it aloud...)

I was 38 when I was awakened from the delusion that I was a "free man". It took a lying lawyer and a judge who went along with the charade to dash cold water in my face. I learned the lesson that I was a slave, and with God's help, I would be a free man.

Only after much research and reading the law did I discover the cruel joke - everything done to me was done by my own consent.

"HE who consents cannot complain...."

To start your own journey of enlightenment:
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:20 AM
 
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There was no need for the Articles of Confederation to be repealed, in effect they were simply abandoned. The course of events that caused that abandonment were:
  1. A college of Deputies from each State was formed, which college ultimately generated the Constitution for the United States of America.
  2. The Deputies that formed that college were fully authorized by the States to act in their stead as Deputies from those Confederate States.
  3. The Continental Congress of the States under the Articles of Confederation admonished approval of the new Constitution.
  4. Said college of Deputies formed and signed the Constitution for the United States of America.
  5. Each of the Confederate States ratified the new Constitution.
  6. Finally, each of the new States wrote new State Constitutions in accord with the new Constitution.
Thus, the Articles of Confederation were abandoned even if they were not formally repealed and the Confederation died as the Constitutional Republic was formed.

And I just pulled out a copy of the Constitution and I read Article VI and it states nothing about the Articles of Confederation being incorporated as a reference into the Constitution. The Articles of Confederation are mentioned once, and only to state that debts and engagements entered into prior to the adoption of the Constitution are valid, as under the Confederation. See for yourself. LII: Constitution

Team Law’s Open Forum System • View topic - Org. Jurisdiction- Articles of Confederation Never Repealed?
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Old 02-13-2009, 12:21 AM
 
Location: NC
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The problem is that in every state and every county there are democrats Republicans and independants. Trying to divide the US would be more diffacult then any partition ever done before. How would it be done? If it were to be done by county neither side would have a contiguous Nation-State. There would be enclaves with no seaports and no connection their new country except through the other state. If it were done by state which states would go which way and how would all of the refugees leaving be dealt with as even the most red/blue states have between 20%-40% of their population in opposition. It is an impossiblity that, were it to ever happen would cause a human catastrophy potentially resulting in Battleground states literally becoming battlegronds with sectarian violence over who would be forced out.

Its not feasible nor is it a good idea.
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