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If you check out my thread in "religion and Philosophy" you will see that I have demonstrated the following:
All world views require faith and also contain many of the tenets of the BASIC definition of religion. Therefore, it can be reasonably asserted that we are all, to a degree, religious in our various world views.
Next question:
If we are all religious, how is it possible to have a separation of church and state?
If you check out my thread in "religion and Philosophy" you will see that I have demonstrated the following:
All world views require faith and also contain many of the tenets of the BASIC definition of religion. Therefore, it can be reasonably asserted that we are all, to a degree, religious in our various world views.
Next question:
If we are all religious, how is it possible to have a separation of church and state?
Are you saying that to have any political or sociological viewpoint it can only be viewed as an outgrowth of religous faith?
I'm afraid that I cannot agree with your basic argument. After all, not everyone is religous -- not even those that go to church every single Sunday.
I would definitely have to agree with camping! that the initial premise of requiring religion as a basis for all world views is simply absurd. Also, debates and the likes over in another board cannot exactly be transferred over as "proof" of anything. Until you bring the discussion here and prove it to the minds of the PoC Debaters, it will be as if the other-board discussion simply did not exist.
Either that, or your previous thread will attract the attention of the PoC crowd for further discussion.
If we are all religious, how is it possible to have a separation of church and state?
I have lived in a country where religion and politics are very "mixed"
Just to make it short, I'll answer you with a question: Do you think is fine for a priest of any Christian religion to say that Christians should vote for Obama or McCain?
If you mix clean water with dirty water, do you get clean water?
Same thing happens with this issue,
you get more religion in politics, but you are also gonna get more politics in religion.
Lets define a few things before we decide whether to accept your premises about this.
I would propose:
1. Religion is an organized system of spiritual worship.
2. Government is an organized system of laws concerning the way people interact with each other in various situations.
The fact that faith appears in more arenas than just the religious does not prevent us from keeping our laws free from the undue influence of any one religion.
I would caution everyone to not let your bias against your perception of religion to cause you to miss my point.
Did you check out the other discussion as suggested?
If so, you would note that there were no cogent/reasonable counters to my original assertions. If you have what you feel is a cogent/reasonable response to those assertions please respond in that thread.
Please, please read my original post in this thread carefully. I am merely maintaining that all world views contain the same basic elements such as faith, moral/value codes, guide books, even prophets. If you disagree, please point out what you see as the different characteristics between the religious and non-religious world views.
I would caution everyone to not let your bias against your perception of religion to cause you to miss my point.
Did you check out the other discussion as suggested?
If so, you would note that there were no cogent/reasonable counters to my original assertions. If you have what you feel is a cogent/reasonable response to those assertions please respond in that thread.
Please, please read my original post in this thread carefully. I am merely maintaining that all world views contain the same basic elements such as faith, moral/value codes, guide books, even prophets. If you disagree, please point out what you see as the different characteristics between the religious and non-religious world views.
No, all world societies--not world views-- contain the same basic elements such as faith, moral/value codes, guide books, even prophets. Individuals within those societies, however, sometimes reject the concept of faith and prophets. Furthermore, not all societal moral/value codes come from a religious base. Just because many religions reflect those same codes doesn't mean they are the baseline for them.
If you check out my thread in "religion and Philosophy" you will see that I have demonstrated the following:
All world views require faith and also contain many of the tenets of the BASIC definition of religion. Therefore, it can be reasonably asserted that we are all, to a degree, religious in our various world views.
Next question:
If we are all religious, how is it possible to have a separation of church and state?
Well, of course it isn't, at least not in the sense that the leftists of today think we have (which is totally false anyway). No such thing was ever intended, and no such thing was ever included in any of our founding documents.
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