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Old 02-16-2009, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Unfortunately Obama is shaping up to be more of a Carter than a FDR. Here's why:

1. Inability to pass stimulus in a bipartisan manner.

2. Obama ran as a centrist but stimulus is loaded with porky projects and quasi-socialist government takeovers to strangle the U.S. economy for generations. He is spending a truckload of our money on a stimulus he himself even says isn't perfect.

3. Nomination of weak tax evading (Daschle et al), undercompetent (Geithner), and politically appeasing (Clinton) cabinet positions.

4. Weak or no substantive positions vis-a-vis Venezuela's abolition of term limits, Iran, or Hamas.

5. Cowardly economic rhetoric based on fear ("We need to pass the stimulus to avoid catastrophe" ala Carter vs. Hope and Confidence ala FDR).

We all want to see the new president successful, but these past few weeks have lacked about as much substance as his speeches.
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:58 AM
 
Location: FL/TX Coasts
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Unfortunately Obama is shaping up to be more of a Carter than a FDR. Here's why:

1. Inability to pass stimulus in a bipartisan manner.

2. Obama ran as a centrist but stimulus is loaded with porky projects and quasi-socialist government takeovers to strangle the U.S. economy for generations. He is spending a truckload of our money on a stimulus he himself even says isn't perfect.

3. Nomination of weak tax evading (Daschle et al), undercompetent (Geithner), and politically appeasing (Clinton) cabinet positions.

4. Weak or no substantive positions vis-a-vis Venezuela's abolition of term limits, Iran, or Hamas.

5. Cowardly economic rhetoric based on fear ("We need to pass the stimulus to avoid catastrophe" ala Carter vs. Hope and Confidence ala FDR).

We all want to see the new president successful, but these past few weeks have lacked about as much substance as his speeches.
Isn't that amazing, it has taken only...a few weeks for some of us to conclude about the new President with 8 years of denial
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:04 AM
 
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More right-wing blather. Looks like their support for "the blessings of democracy" is fading again re this Venezuela thing too. I sometimes wonder whether they truly stand for any of our actual traditional American values at all...
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Unfortunately Obama is shaping up to be more of a Carter than a FDR. Here's why:

1. Inability to pass stimulus in a bipartisan manner.

2. Obama ran as a centrist but stimulus is loaded with porky projects and quasi-socialist government takeovers to strangle the U.S. economy for generations. He is spending a truckload of our money on a stimulus he himself even says isn't perfect.

3. Nomination of weak tax evading (Daschle et al), undercompetent (Geithner), and politically appeasing (Clinton) cabinet positions.

4. Weak or no substantive positions vis-a-vis Venezuela's abolition of term limits, Iran, or Hamas.

5. Cowardly economic rhetoric based on fear ("We need to pass the stimulus to avoid catastrophe" ala Carter vs. Hope and Confidence ala FDR).

We all want to see the new president successful, but these past few weeks have lacked about as much substance as his speeches.
You forgot the biggest comparison: Both had pre-teen daughters upon taking office. They're exactly the same!!!!

(And, without really getting into your somewhat ludicrous set comparisons, it's noteworthy that less than a month into office Obama had enacted the largest non-budgetary economic measure in American history, and yet you claim he's lacked "substance." I'm sure had he cured cancer in that time, you'd have complained that he hadn't even touched the litany of other diseases afflicting humanity.)
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:06 AM
 
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Originally Posted by ATXIronHorse View Post
Unfortunately Obama is shaping up to be more of a Carter than a FDR. Here's why:

1. Inability to pass stimulus in a bipartisan manner.

2. Obama ran as a centrist but stimulus is loaded with porky projects and quasi-socialist government takeovers to strangle the U.S. economy for generations. He is spending a truckload of our money on a stimulus he himself even says isn't perfect.

3. Nomination of weak tax evading (Daschle et al), undercompetent (Geithner), and politically appeasing (Clinton) cabinet positions.

4. Weak or no substantive positions vis-a-vis Venezuela's abolition of term limits, Iran, or Hamas.

5. Economic rhetoric based on fear ("We need to pass the stimulus to avoid catastrophe" ala Carter vs. Hope and Confidence ala FDR).

We all want to see the new president successful, but these past few weeks have lacked about as much substance as his speeches.
This assessment is coming from the Bush's home state of Texas, the red state. So can you really provide a bipartisan point of view? Bush was known for pushing FEAR and now there's a problem. As fior me, I'm in that wait to see phase, no fear before the bill is even signed.

As for your number 1: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. Republicans have their own agenda and there is nothing President Obama can do about it. If it was my choice, I would give up on even trying to work with them, but President Obama said that he will keep trying. Plus, Americans are smart, they know who is working with their best interest at heart.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:23 AM
 
Location: Fort Worth/Dallas
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Unfortunately Obama is shaping up to be more of a Carter than a FDR. Here's why:

1. Inability to pass stimulus in a bipartisan manner.

2. Obama ran as a centrist but stimulus is loaded with porky projects and quasi-socialist government takeovers to strangle the U.S. economy for generations. He is spending a truckload of our money on a stimulus he himself even says isn't perfect.

3. Nomination of weak tax evading (Daschle et al), undercompetent (Geithner), and politically appeasing (Clinton) cabinet positions.

4. Weak or no substantive positions vis-a-vis Venezuela's abolition of term limits, Iran, or Hamas.

5. Cowardly economic rhetoric based on fear ("We need to pass the stimulus to avoid catastrophe" ala Carter vs. Hope and Confidence ala FDR).

We all want to see the new president successful, but these past few weeks have lacked about as much substance as his speeches.
I think we need a little more time than just a month to make such a determination. I didn't vote for our new President, but he has my support (and criticism where appropriate). It's too soon to tell if he is a weak leader. Personally, it's better for all of us if he succeeds and he is in my prayers.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Using my geographic location as your arguing point is pretty weak. And at no point did I say that GWB was any better than BHO.

Aside from putting words in my mouth, the discussion is healthy.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:31 AM
 
Location: Texas
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(And, without really getting into your somewhat ludicrous set comparisons, it's noteworthy that less than a month into office Obama had enacted the largest non-budgetary economic measure in American history, and yet you claim he's lacked "substance." I'm sure had he cured cancer in that time, you'd have complained that he hadn't even touched the litany of other diseases afflicting humanity.)
"Ludicrous" because you disagree?

Because he passed the biggest load of pork in U.S. history is no accomplishment, because he was the vessel for a liberal democrat wishlist that the left has been drooling over for 30 years...and he expended most of his political capital doing so.
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:35 AM
 
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Aside from putting words in my mouth, the discussion is healthy.
The "discussion" is nothing more than a rehash of weakly concocted talking points. Did you have any rationale, for instance, for claiming that "porky" and "quasi-socialist" elements of the recovery act were going to "strangle the US economy for generations", or was all that just vaguely worded partisan spin and manufactured gobbledy-goook?
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Old 02-16-2009, 09:38 AM
 
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The country already knew he was inconsequential and weak, but because of a never-before-seen crazed American Idol mentality, went ahead and took a chance on this lame brain. And a foolish nation will suffer for it.
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