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You are not acknowledging the very liberal terms applied to the former Confederate states, and towards CSA soldiers and officers, after the war ended. Lincoln was very far from vengeful in his policies toward the post-war South. He had waged war basically as imposing "regime change" on the politics of the southern states.
You are not acknowledging that Lincoln had very little to do with policies toward the post-war South.
You seem to have a very naive perspective. I'll forgive you for that because you and your family haven't lived here long enough to experience first hand and generationally what that flag had meant to most Americans for hundreds of years. For example, were your ancestors slaves in this country? No. So of course for you the flag doesn't affect you the same. Were your ancestors hung by the neck or had their homes burned to the ground while the confederate flag wad brilliantly displayed in the background? No. Did your ancestors live in the south with Jim Crow laws? No. So just because you read a few books and lived in the south for awhile doesn't mean you know Jack about what the flag has really come to symbolize. I'll bet that you don't even realize that not only did the flag come to symbolize hate toward blacks, Jews, Catholics it also included hatred toward ASIANS and still does. Asians in this country were run out of towns in the south whenever their businesses cut into the prosperity of white southerners. They were hung too with the flag waving in the background somewhere or the flag was carried while the murderers galloped away on horses. Yes, you are very naive dear.
I'm talking about Lincoln's stated policies. His death cut short, obviously, his ability to put some of them into practice!
You think that Lincoln's successor Johnson produced vast changes in Lincoln's original policies? Such as?
You think President Johnson had the ultimate say in how reconstruction went down??? Think again. Radical Republicans pushed their version of reconstruction through over vetoes from Johnson..... What Johnson wanted to occur was largely irrelevent. He wasn't calling the shots, Congress was.
It is the battle flag of the Confederacy and is associated with a military attack on the USA and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Americans. The attack on Ft Sumpter was much worse than 9/11.
Really?? No one died at Ft Sumter.
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It is also closely related with ennumerable lynchings. It is an emblem of hatred and murder and terrorism. Those who display it are endorsing its negative messages.
Such a sweeping generalization must be ignored. If you aren't willing to read the rest of the thread then there's no point in wasting breath. This has been discussed ad nauseum here.
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People went nutso over the Mexican flag being flown in the USA; at least it isnt an enemy flag.
It's funny, when I was in college I had a White male friend (I'm a Black female) who was from North Carolina. We were down in Daytona...and come winter time when it got a little chilly, he had this leather coat with a Confederate Flag embroidered on it. We were actually out shopping and he grabbed for it; then hesitated, then asked me, "If I wear this coat, will it offend you?". I thought it was a really considerate gesture, but I said, "No, of course not"...and I meant it.
Because I knew him and I knew he wasn't racist, I know that the Confederate flag thing was just a symbol of Southern pride (turns out, his Grandfather brought that coat for him as well). It's probably that way for a lot of people; and I do think that being from the South there are many things that you can be proud of. However the knee-jerk reaction that I get when seeing the Confederate flag being flown (or it's emblems and what not; like on trucks) is not positive; especially if I see it up here in the North. It's like you are trying to make some sort of statement...and some people are. An ugly statement.
But just by itself, no, I don't think that the Confederate flag is bad or needs to be banned. But if someone is going around like a racist nut and sporting the flag, the people who truly have Southern pride should stand up to these people who are giving their heritage a bad reputation.
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It's funny, when I was in college I had a White male friend (I'm a Black female) who was from North Carolina. We were down in Daytona...and come winter time when it got a little chilly, he had this leather coat with a Confederate Flag embroidered on it. We were actually out shopping and he grabbed for it; then hesitated, then asked me, "If I wear this coat, will it offend you?". I thought it was a really considerate gesture, but I said, "No, of course not"...and I meant it.
Because I knew him and I knew he wasn't racist, I know that the Confederate flag thing was just a symbol of Southern pride (turns out, his Grandfather brought that coat for him as well). It's probably that way for a lot of people; and I do think that being from the South there are many things that you can be proud of. However the knee-jerk reaction that I get when seeing the Confederate flag being flown (or it's emblems and what not; like on trucks) is not positive; especially if I see it up here in the North. It's like you are trying to make some sort of statement...and some people are. An ugly statement.
But just by itself, no, I don't thing that the Confederate flag is bad or needs to be banned. But if someone is going around like a racist nut and sporting the flag, the people who truly have Southern pride should stand up to these people who are giving their heritage a bad reputation.
There is really nothing more to say IMO....
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