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View Poll Results: Should Vietnam vets forgive Jane Fonda?
Yes 29 23.20%
No 87 69.60%
Other 6 4.80%
Not Sure 3 2.40%
Voters: 125. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-22-2009, 12:19 AM
 
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I hope they chase her to her grave.

What she did was treason & a disgrace. The wider public may have shrugged their shoulders & moved on, but good for the vets for keeping her feet to the fire.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:34 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Hanoi Jane/Veteran Stickers - Military Merchandise LZ NAM Military Products Military Hat Pins Military Patches Military Medals
some favorites include the Jane Fonda toilet paper, the Jane Fonda urinal target sticker (will improve your veteran husband's toilet aim instantly), and the various pins and patches dedicated to her.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:34 AM
 
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I have mixed feelings about Fonda. On one hand the spoke truth to power and opposed an unjust war, which is obviously a good thing. On the other hand she helped legitimize communists in Nam, which is very bad... Living outside the black-n-white box that most people put themselves in is hard...


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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. No matter how you feel about the conflict the soldiers mad[e] a pledge and should be honored for putting personal feelings aside and serving our country.
Then what makes them better than the Nazi soldiers?
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:42 AM
 
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I am afraid that many just can not for what she did and said. She just didn't oppose the war but actually aided the enemy by appearing with them and condemming the soldiers on N. Vietnams propaganda broadcast. Many soldiers were actually tired for doiing the same while prisoners.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:48 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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texdav, our troops in vietnam were supporting and defending the government of Vietnam from the Communist north supported by China.
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:50 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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She's still 'Hanoi Jane' | The San Diego Union-Tribune

At her request, she made at least 10 broadcasts on Radio Hanoi that included calling American pilots war criminals and urging them to stop bombing North Vietnam. In a propaganda gesture heavily publicized by Hanoi, she also met with a group of coerced American prisoners of war to demonstrate, as the North Vietnamese intended, that the POWs were receiving "humane" treatment.
In fact, as we know now, nearly all American POWs in North Vietnam were brutally tortured until 1969, when Hanoi's policy changed to more selective mistreatment. One American POW was strung up from a ceiling by his broken arm until he agreed to listen to Fonda's assertions that the prisoners were being well treated.
When the POWs returned from North Vietnam in 1973 and told of their torture, Jane Fonda declared, "the POWs are lying if they assert it was North Vietnamese policy to torture American prisoners." For good measure, she also suggested that their recollections of torture were products of "racism" toward the Vietnamese.
Does Fonda regret her propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi or her role in trying to persuade the world that tortured, brutalized American POWs were receiving humane treatment? Not a bit. Is she apologizing? No.
Here's what she told Leslie Stahl on "60 Minutes":
"I don't think there was anything wrong with it. It's not something that I will apologize for ... we'd been saying to Richard Nixon, 'stop this'... it needed what looks now to be unbelievably controversial things. That's what I felt was needed."
During World War II, two equally deluded American women, dubbed by U.S. servicemen Tokyo Rose and Axis Sally, made propaganda broadcasts from the capitals of Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany. Both were prosecuted for treason after the war, convicted and sent to federal prison. Fonda escaped that fate partly, one assumes, because of the ultimate unpopularity of the Vietnam War and partly because a prosecution for treason would require that a formally declared state of war had existed between the United States and North Vietnam. The majority of anti-

war protesters simply believed that American participation in the war was wrong. Their objective was American withdrawal from Vietnam. But a hard-core, hard-left minority in the anti-war coalition favored a communist victory by the Viet Cong and North Vietnam.
However witlessly, Jane Fonda lent herself to that latter goal, a communist triumph in Vietnam.
When the Soviet-armed North Vietnamese army overran South Vietnam in 1975, Fonda's then-husband, the left-wing radical Tom Hayden, expressed his relief and approval. When the North Vietnamese, quite predictably, imposed their totalitarian system on South Vietnam – complete with concentration camps that imprisoned hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese and the extinguishing of all civil and political liberties – Jane Fonda said she couldn't object because the evidence of oppression was unproven.
When, by United Nations estimate, a quarter of a million South Vietnamese boat people perished at sea escaping their supposed liberators in the 1970s and 1980s, Jane Fonda was silent. When 2 million Cambodians were murdered or died of privation at the hands of the communist Khmer Rouge (originally Hanoi's allies), Jane Fonda had nothing to say. When the people of reunified Vietnam were denied basic human rights and continue to suffer today under Hanoi's one-party dictatorship, Jane Fonda apparently was too busy with her personal life to comment.
That's a lot to answer for, Hanoi Jane. Caldwell, a Vietnam veteran, is editor of the Insight
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Old 02-22-2009, 12:52 AM
 
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Good for them! I hope it hurts her!
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:01 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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I have mixed feelings about Fonda. On one hand the spoke truth to power and opposed an unjust war, which is obviously a good thing. On the other hand she helped legitimize communists in Nam, which is very bad... Living outside the black-n-white box that most people put themselves in is hard...




Then what makes them better than the Nazi soldiers?
There is a huge difference between going to war when your country calls, than trying to eliminate a whole race with mass murder. America is a nation of laws no matter how much you may hate our government.As bad the alledged torture and what not have certainly enraged many around the world and at home, myself included. When we are actually executing them in infernos then their shoud never be such a comparison made.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:09 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The History Place - Vietnam War
this site has a very good time line on the Vietnam war which actually started when WW2 ended and began with France and ended with us pulling our troops out and the Communist slaughtering millions.
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Old 02-22-2009, 01:11 AM
 
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Should Vietnam vets forgive Jane Fonda?

Vietnam vets protest Jane Fonda's Broadway showing
Vietnam vets protest Jane Fonda's Broadway showing (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090221/ap_en_ce/people_jane_fonda_1 - broken link)

NEW YORK – It's been decades, but Jane Fonda still can't shake her "Hanoi Jane" image from the Vietnam War.

About a dozen Vietnam veterans and other protesters on Saturday picketed the theater where the 71-year-old actress is starring in the Broadway play "33 Variations," telling passers-by that she had once visited their Viet Cong enemy in Hanoi.
They don't have to forgive her, but they should probably move on to something relevant.
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