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View Poll Results: Should Vietnam vets forgive Jane Fonda?
Yes 29 23.20%
No 87 69.60%
Other 6 4.80%
Not Sure 3 2.40%
Voters: 125. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-22-2009, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Michigan
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The Draft was in effect back then and these guys had no choice to go and fight or flee to Canada. What would you have done??
What, Canada is that bad an option?
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Over the Rainbow...
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According to the soldiers who were supposed to have handed her the notes it is, yes. Are you calling them liars?
You don't even begin to make sense....YOU are the one who came up with urban legend....I'm not calling any of the soldiers liears. They are heroes! You seem to be the one siding with Hanoi Jane!
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:53 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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Way too much common sense in that post...it'll never fly.

To others:

The Vietnam war was NOT Jane Fonda's fault nor responsibility nor was it that of war protesters....but they are easy targets to blame when you can't think farther than the end of your nose. No one else was at fault?

I see how easily some BELIEVE the words of the "enemy" if they are against Fonda...do you /have you always believed the enemy? Taken their word as gospel???
Do you/have you always taken the side which diminishes the US? Are you a Viet Nam vet? Do you have personal experience of what that war was like in the field? Or was it just to comfortable to complain from the safety of your own home?
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Old 02-22-2009, 07:55 AM
 
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I'm sorry but I have to disagree. No matter how you feel about the conflict the soldiers mad a pledge and should be honored for putting personal feelings aside and serving our country.
They were not "serving their country" - they were committing treason.

They're country was the U.S. Constitution. They were not protecting it, or defending it.

They were violating it.

LBJ was a worse traitor. He knew that he did not have the power to engage in a war without a Congressional declaration of war.

The veterans didn't know nuthin.

But they should NOW!
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:00 AM
 
Location: The land where cats rule
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What, Canada is that bad an option?

So you would recommend forfiting your lifestyle and becoming a criminal (it was against the law to refuse the draft) rather than paying back with service what you have enjoyed all your life?

Additionally, Canada did not really want these Americans. After all, what benefit would they be to Canada when they would not even defend their own country?
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:13 AM
 
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I am afraid that many just can not for what she did and said. She just didn't oppose the war but actually aided the enemy by appearing with them and condemming the soldiers on N. Vietnams propaganda broadcast. Many soldiers were actually tired for doiing the same while prisoners.
At the time, I thought she was trying to get their sorry asses out of there.

In the shadow of the U.S. Constitution, the actions of the the U.S. Military were more deplorable than Jane Fonda's naivete.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:17 AM
 
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You don't even begin to make sense....YOU are the one who came up with urban legend....I'm not calling any of the soldiers liears. They are heroes! You seem to be the one siding with Hanoi Jane!
Alls ya gotta do is read the link which I done gave it twice in this-here thread. I didnt write it.

And it's even handed - snopes covers the Jane issue (generally) and is even-handed - doesnt excuse her.

The point Im trying to make for you is that the thing you believe - about the notes - is not true.

And switch to decaf
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:19 AM
 
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Like Jane Fonda, many of the war protesters were doing the right thing, but for the wrong reason.

Is there anyone in the U.S. Military, who would even now, defend their Constitution?

Read their Constitution?

Not s**t on their Constitution?
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:20 AM
 
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Jane Fonda is a fine example of how American justice works. She is an American traitor that is living a life of luxury in the country she betrayed. She should have been prosecuted and sentenced to death by firing squad.
However, because of who she is and the money in her family she is allowed to go free.
All Americans, and it seems there are fewer and fewer of them in America these days, should boycott anything connected with Jane Fonda.
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Old 02-22-2009, 08:27 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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Jane Fonda is a fine example of how American justice works. She is an American traitor that is living a life of luxury in the country she betrayed. She should have been prosecuted and sentenced to death by firing squad.

Your "fine example" is one of how the National Socialists operated from 1933 to 1945. I believe those sentenced to firing squad were charged as being "defeatists".

Alot of brave Americans fought in Germany so that it wouldnt happen here. And if you knew your history, and who Smedley Butler is, you might know how close it crept in. And anyone who has lived through the past 8 years in this country recognized its return under the neocons.
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