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Old 02-22-2009, 05:24 PM
 
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Based on your theory we should get hit soon and that would give me the right to blame "W".At least when Clinton sent missiles,they were sent to the right country.The next time Al Qaeda hits should we bomb Mexico,or Brazil,maybe Iraq again?If his intelligence is so good,where are the weapons of mass destruction? I can lie about other countries too,but the fact is that Bush got caught with his pants down----and we're not impressed!!!

You're not informed either. Obama bombed a nation (Pakistan) we're not at war with and that didn't attack us about three days into his administration. Now that's a stupid thing to do!

 
Old 02-22-2009, 05:30 PM
 
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The reason they were so successful was that Clinton allowed the CIA to deteriorate from lack of funding and 25% attrition. Clinton did respond with tomahawk missiles being fired into an empty valley in Afghanistan. After they stopped laughing, Al Qaeda went right back to working on 9/11 that was five years in the making. When Bush took over, he rebuilt the intelligence community that would have been able to discover the 9/11 plot if they were not neglected for eight years. Since then we have been safe. We have a real intelligence presence on the ground in the part of the world where these attacks come from. How long do you think it will take the Obama misadministration to throw it all away? How long until we get hit again?
1) Weren't you in favor of a small government? The fact that Clinton cut budgets - you should have applauded him!
2) You assume that Bush rebuilt the intelligence community. The fact is that only few people can see the whole picture. Neither of us has access to the real facts. I am curious to know how much things really changed. No, not the declarations and the appointment of an intelligence Czar, but in the field. I am quite skeptic about the profound restructure. Not so much because of Bush, but because of the nature of these secret organizations. They aren't easy to control and quite resistant to change.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 06:10 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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1) Weren't you in favor of a small government? The fact that Clinton cut budgets - you should have applauded him!
A very bad idea to cut the CIA and FBI intelligence. It is possible to have a small government and have a good and well-funded intelligence organization in place.

Clinton made a huge mistake cutting the CIA and FBI.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 06:14 PM
 
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I thought the Right didn't care what the World thought of the United States (you know, "You're either with us or against us" or something like that). Now that their power has been diminished, now they care about the World's opinion? And what's the matter with Motel6(?)...they leave the light on!!
Actually, we care about those whose opinions matter; our allies, those aligned with our system of government. Those countries have never stopped supporting and admiring us. Japan. Israel. Eastern Europe GB for the most part.

The ones who claimed they didn't respect us anymore, the socialist countries, and the terrorist countries, we never gave a damn about their opinion anyway. Besided that, and as I explained, they respected us; it's just that they were angry we didn't let them get away with crap.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 06:35 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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The notion of America losing respect under Bush was always just a partisan sham purveyed by the left...these countries respected us greatly under Bush.
You can tell by how they all rallied to our assistance when we attacked Iraq.

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...we are rapidly becoming laughingstocks and punchlines in the financial world...They are laughing at us for embracing the very economic philosophy they had just finished rejecting because they witnessed first hand the abject failure of socialism.
We've been a laughingstock since we pulled out of the Kyoto Accords (and rightfully so).

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They are ridiculing us because after decades of eating steak, we are now seeking out stale peanut butter sandwiches. After decades of riding high in a Cadillac, we are searching for a Yugo. After living in the Ritz Carlton, we have opted for Motel 6.
I hate to be the one to break it to you, but America is flat broke. Pockets inside out, owe our next 3000 years of GDP to other countries broke. If what you can afford is Motel Six you probably shouldn't book rooms at the Waldorf. It will catch up to you. I'll skip the chick metaphors.

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KNOWING America will return to the Clinton years and not respond strongly to an attack.
Picking up a machine gun and emptying it to the four points of the compass is not how to " respond strongly "

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Under Bush, world liberals and Islamic terrorists hated us, yes. But they damn sure respected us. Today, they are all laughing at us. This time it's more than partisan spin; it's the truth.
" world liberals and Islamic terrorists...damn sure respected us "

Which ones? Personal friends of yours? That's what they told you? Got your ear to the ground, do you?
 
Old 02-22-2009, 06:46 PM
 
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The notion of America losing respect under Bush was always just a partisan sham purveyed by the left. We, in fact, were hugely respected after Iraq because 1) we showed we wouldn't put up with crap 2) we proved to our allies we keep our word.

This doesn't mean everybody liked us under Bush. After all, France, Germany, Russia, and the UN all had illegal under-the-table deals with Saddam that we exposed to the world. Yeah, those countries got mad at us all right. While they were preaching peace and socialism, they were cheating; they were abetting worldwide terrorism. They were angry that Bush upset that gravy train. But make no mistake; these countries respected us greatly under Bush.

Now look at today. Under Obama, we are rapidly becoming laughingstocks and punchlines in the financial world. We have erstwhile economic failures like Russia and China scolding us, formerly the world's greatest capitalist icon, for becoming socialist. They are laughing at us for embracing the very economic philosophy they had just finished rejecting because they witnessed first hand the abject failure of socialism. They are ridiculing us because after decades of eating steak, we are now seeking out stale peanut butter sandwiches. After decades of riding high in a Cadillac, we are searching for a Yugo. After living in the Ritz Carlton, we have opted for Motel 6. We have dumped Charlize Theron for Tori Spelling.

Britain is laughing at us for eagerly anticipating a failed health care system they are in the process of scrapping. "Didn't they watch us wallow for years? Didn't they see the doctor shortages? What is America thinking"? asked Christopher Hitchens?

Iran is laughing with glee now. They know they have a lightweight pushover running our military now; someone who, in fact, despises the military. Osama Bin Laden, whose recent messages have sounded exactly like Obama campaign messages, has to be rubbing his hands together in anticipation, KNOWING America will return to the Clinton years and not respond strongly to an attack.

Under Bush, world liberals and Islamic terrorists hated us, yes. But they damn sure respected us. Today, they are all laughing at us. This time it's more than partisan spin; it's the truth.
Elaborate. I don't get the point of this thread.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 07:08 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Am I reading this right? There were zero attacks under clinton?

First WTC bombing
2 Kenyan embassy attacks that killed hundreds
The USS Cole
Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia
Somalia

Where have you been?
Sorry forgot about the WTCone because it was an explosion not destruction of 2 buildings and like I said before(read the context) on american soil.Last I looked Saudi Arabia,Somalia,and Kenya are not in the US. Under all presidents we've had problems at foreign consolates,etc...
 
Old 02-22-2009, 07:10 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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You're not informed either. Obama bombed a nation (Pakistan) we're not at war with and that didn't attack us about three days into his administration. Now that's a stupid thing to do!
Most of Bin Ladin's supporters are from Pakistan and his own country and we KNOW he is hiding somewhere in Pakistan because they let him in.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Oh! I had not heard that the British were doing away with NHS. I will have to ask them about that!
My brother lives in Ireland which is under the same system and NO they are not doing away with it.
 
Old 02-22-2009, 07:14 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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I just got back from Brazil where Obama seems to be respected, at least by the people that I met.
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