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Old 02-26-2009, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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I am a Junior in Highschool, am on the school debate team, and am in advanced Global Studies and American history classes. I'll also warn you, I am Republican. -My background.
Apperently this election in my school has sparked alot of interest in the country and the events that are current. I'm suprised about how little the students and teachers(execpt my social studies teachers) even know about most major topic's in the world such as the problems in the middle-east and why it's America's problem, or so I believe. Why we are there and what is happening in the region in general. Most Americans don't realize that the United States is hated by the rest of the world. And and why our economy is in its condition. I believe it to be true that we still do have an advancing economy just not the one we have had in the past decade.
No offense but you either go to Longwood,Newfield or Comsewogue H.S. I am originally from Queens (Bayside) then I moved to long island and in the last 30 years I lived in Selden,Port Jefferson Station,and Coram (minus the time while in the Air Force) and I can honestly say that NONE of these schools have any stellar debate teams and I know the districts very well!
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Old 02-26-2009, 03:46 PM
 
Location: New York, The capitol of the World
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Do you want history?The attacks of 9/11 came from Afghanistan and "NOT IRAQ",that's history.ALL of Bush's advisors told him it was not Iraq but he didn't care.Here's another one----when told of the 1st tower being hit,Bush REMAINED in the classroom for minutes before getting off his butt and maybe making a phone call or putting airports on lockdown,heightened security.Are your parents republicans?It sounds like they are because you are apparently wearing the Republican blinders!
Very much aware that the attacks came from Afghanistan, not Iraq. I don't know if you'r aware that America's finest is currently in Afghanistan. The main reasons for going to Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Did you know that? let me teach you history and not the incorrect current events of which closed mindend thinking , Iraq refused to listen to NATO demands after attacking America's ally Kuwait. They were believed to have chemical weapons which they soon gave away in the years before. They were believed to having WMD's which were proven to not exist, but was a good reason to attack a country that is an "enemy" to the US of A. Iraq is currently an ally with the United States we gave them their first elections, food, and support. When we went to the middle east, America planned to suppress all of its enemys we were tired of the kids fighting in the sand box . About Bush being an "idoit" consider his IQ is higher then Obama's(based on speech patterns school papers and vocabulary, number of incorrect statements, ect. , Bush hasent had relations with 2 seperate terrorists, 1 anti-american priest for (20) years, and doesnt have socialist idea's that might have come from his anti' capitalist terrorist neighber that he visited. Obama is a very smart man, and I hope he leads America down the right path, 8 years from now America will be looking foward to a new Republican President considering that the same party has never been in the white house longer then 8 yrs, besides FDR.
I stay open minded and get my opinion based on facts not opinions.
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Old 02-26-2009, 03:50 PM
 
Location: New York, The capitol of the World
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No offense but you either go to Longwood,Newfield or Comsewogue H.S. I am originally from Queens (Bayside) then I moved to long island and in the last 30 years I lived in Selden,Port Jefferson Station,and Coram (minus the time while in the Air Force) and I can honestly say that NONE of these schools have any stellar debate teams and I know the districts very well!
I am Originally from Bayside aswell, I go to school in Ny, New York, I wont get any more specific.
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Old 02-26-2009, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Very much aware that the attacks came from Afghanistan, not Iraq. I don't know if you'r aware that America's finest is currently in Afghanistan. The main reasons for going to Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Did you know that? let me teach you history and not the incorrect current events of which your ignorant libral mind thinks, Iraq refused to listen to NATO demands after attacking America's ally Kuwait. They were believed to have chemical weapons which they soon gave away in the years before. They were believed to having WMD's which were proven to not exist, but was a good reason to attack a country that is an "enemy" to the US of A. Iraq is currently an ally with the United States we gave them their first elections, food, and support. When we went to the middle east, America planned to suppress all of its enemys we were tired of the kids fighting in the sand box . About Bush being an "idoit" consider his IQ is higher then Obama's(based on speech patterns school papers and vocabulary, number of incorrect statements, ect. , Bush hasent had relations with 2 seperate terrorists, 1 anti-american priest for (20) years, and doesnt have socialist idea's that might have come from his anti' capitalist terrorist neighber that he visited. Obama is a very smart man, and I hope he leads America down the right path, 8 years from now America will be looking foward to a new Republican President considering that the same party has never been in the white house longer then 8 yrs, besides FDR.
You're right,the finest are in Afghanistan right now including MY OLD UNITS from Whiteman AFB and McGuire AFB.As for IQ,no way he is higher then Obama. "W" can't even form a sentence.As for relations with terrorists you better actually hit the books instead of doing word searches.Bush is still on the board of directors along with daddy and Sadam(even after death), Osama bin Ladin,and Kadafi(Libya) for more then a few of their oil companies and other monetary investments and how are you going to get ideas from other countries when you killed all relations with just about everyone ,which also has killed our trade and perception in the world.I do support Obama and usually prefer Dem's but i'll support anyone who does the right thing for the people of this country. Unfortunately you could have taken a scantron test and not even looked at the questions, and had those answers applied to what we should do in the world and the results would have been better for this country then the devastation that W has left behind.If you want to really understand the world and politics leave Suffolk County,head north,south,east,west and see what the U.S. really looks like then travel outside the country a little and you'll realize that we are in so much worse of a situation from when Clinton finished his 2nd term.Oh, I forgot;you would have been about 7 or 8.Seriously though you really need to see the whole world and not look through the republican beer-goggles.
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Old 02-26-2009, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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I am Originally from Bayside aswell, I go to school in Ny, New York, I wont get any more specific.
You don't need to!By the way ny,ny-I don't think so! You live in Coram(11727).I left Coram in October to move my family to an area with a better quality of life.North coram's nice, by the heights not as nice.I graduated Comsewogue in 89' and my kids were students in the Longwood district till we moved.I know all the schools and unfortunately I moved partly because the schools and what they taught and their state funding(computers,etc...) are not on par with what it was 10-20 years ago.It has gone downhill and I wasn't going to let my kids suffer.As for debate teams, they are NOT GOOD. Please don't pat yourself on the back and try to build yourself up when I know the programs.It's like you telling me that you're the leading scorer for the Islanders.It's great to have the most goals on your team but if the rest of the team sucks,what does it matter?
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Old 02-26-2009, 04:19 PM
 
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Bin Laden's and al Qaeda's stated reason for their hatred of the U.S. and attack on 9/11 was that we had troops on their Holy Land. Does that justify their actions? Of course not. But in their mind, the reason for 9/11 was U.S. policy in the Middle East. Is that really beyond your wildest imagination? It seems pretty straight forward (no matter how unjust it may be).
No, it isn't straight forward. Bin Laden and followers suffer from a severe case of collective mental illness. It is like saying that Andrea Yates killed her kids because there were voices telling her to do so. And although you don't support her actions, the reason is pretty "straight forward".
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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No, it isn't straight forward. Bin Laden and followers suffer from a severe case of collective mental illness. It is like saying that Andrea Yates killed her kids because there were voices telling her to do so. And although you don't support her actions, the reason is pretty "straight forward".
We always went by the catch phrase that we're the WORLDS POLICEMAN. This is why we are hated by many. We try to keep the peace but sometimes we do get way too involved but this is no reason to attack another country. The problem with a guy like Bin Laden is that the people around him LIKE HIM and he tries to lead his people through teachings whereas Sadam led his people through fear.Now if you have respect from people and they look up to you that creates a more devoted soldier. That is why Bin Laden is much tougher adversary then Sadam could ever be.
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Old 02-26-2009, 05:31 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Bin Laden's and al Qaeda's stated reason for their hatred of the U.S. and attack on 9/11 was that we had troops on their Holy Land. Does that justify their actions? Of course not. But in their mind, the reason for 9/11 was U.S. policy in the Middle East. Is that really beyond your wildest imagination? It seems pretty straight forward (no matter how unjust it may be).
Not troops, bases. Very similar to Viet Nam.
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Old 02-26-2009, 06:52 PM
 
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There is no link between Bin Laden and US presence in the ME. Sure, many may consider US policies and presence there bad. But, there are many ways to oppose our presence and policies. We have bases all over the world. If you ask, some people in Italy or Greece are very much against the US bases and I can understand that. There were protests, petitions, anti American demonstrations. However, the way Bin Laden chose to act is...insane.
Another example is the suicide bombings in London's underground. The UK suffers from social problems for centuries. Many criticize, protest and revolt against them. But, never before the July 2005 bombings, anyone acted like that. The bombings were carried out by UK born citizens that share the same mind set with Bin Laden. They didn't do it because US is in the middle east, or because Israel. It is just another example of the same mental disease.
As a side note, I would like to ask if Bin Laden's actions on 9/11 (and elsewhere), helped him achieve his goal. Is he (and his followers) better now then on 9/10/2001? What happened with the US presence in the ME following the attacks?
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Old 02-26-2009, 07:01 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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I am a Junior in Highschool, am on the school debate team, and am in advanced Global Studies and American history classes. I'll also warn you, I am Republican. -My background.
Apperently this election in my school has sparked alot of interest in the country and the events that are current. I'm suprised about how little the students and teachers(execpt my social studies teachers) even know about most major topic's in the world such as the problems in the middle-east and why it's America's problem, or so I believe. Why we are there and what is happening in the region in general. Most Americans don't realize that the United States is hated by the rest of the world. And and why our economy is in its condition. I believe it to be true that we still do have an advancing economy just not the one we have had in the past decade.
The alleged collective ignorance of the American people is partly due to generations of pervasive propaganda and indoctrination. Since the beginning of the 20th century, the forces arrayed against Americans have scored great propaganda victories. I sincerely doubt that more than ten thousand Americans have read the Articles of Confederation, nor know that it's STATUTE #2 in the Statutes at Large of the United States of America.
And, no, it was not repealed nor superseded by the USCON. In fact, there are powers specifically mentioned in the Articles that Congress still exercises, but are NOT listed in the USCON.

Something that will annoy "Socialist" Teachers.
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