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No, it isn't straight forward. Bin Laden and followers suffer from a severe case of collective mental illness. It is like saying that Andrea Yates killed her kids because there were voices telling her to do so. And although you don't support her actions, the reason is pretty "straight forward".
Hence the prepositional phrase in my post: "in their mind." In her mind, Andrea Yates was listening to the voices in her head (literally).
"In their mind," their motivation was that we had troops (in bases) in their Holy Land. Is that difficult to understand? Is that not straight forward, no matter how "insane" or illegitimate their reasoning may be?
In their minds, we were messing with their country and their holy lands, so they wanted to hurt us. If there were Russian bases in our country, welcomed by our government, don't you think some people in the U.S. might want to do some crazy $hit to Russia?
If there were Russian bases in our country, welcomed by our government, don't you think some people in the U.S. might want to do some crazy $hit to Russia?
Yes, there would have been much opposition. I would probably also be among the protesters. But if anyone went to Moscow and killed himself in the red square just to take thousands innocent lives with him - I would consider this person severely sick.
I also want to ask again people who "understand" Bin Laden - did his atrocities further his goal? Is the ME better today then before 9/11 ?
Isolationism is just in vogue amoung many in thsi country. much as it was prior to WWII. It will take a event to change that as we like most societies are reactive more than proactive.
Isolationism is just in vogue amoung many in thsi country. much as it was prior to WWII. It will take a event to change that as we like most societies are reactive more than proactive.
Isolationism is a myth. The United States has never been in isolation from the world, nor has anyone demanded that we be. Not before WW2 and not since.
The people who are stupidly derided as "isolationists" are people who put their own countrymen first, rather than drafting them unwillingly to fight in the name of foreign causes, no matter how good the causes might be. That was once called patriotism. Now that everything's been flipped on its head, patriotism means cheering for war, war, and more war, usually for the benefit of other countries or interests and without regard to the deaths of your own countrymen.
No, it isn't straight forward. Bin Laden and followers suffer from a severe case of collective mental illness. It is like saying that Andrea Yates killed her kids because there were voices telling her to do so. And although you don't support her actions, the reason is pretty "straight forward".
You're right, it is straightforward. The voices in her head were, in fact, the most proximate cause of her actions. Absolutely.
But let me ask something: why is 9/11 any more product of "mental illness" than, say, Hiroshima? Personally, I would attribute both to what has become a chic amorality, rather than mental illness.
Frankly it's Republican voters that are most ignorant of Global Issues.
Really? And on what do you base this opinion? And specifically what "global issues" are we talking about?
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A good portion of them think Obama is a Muslim.....A good portion of them still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11.
As to your first statement, OB was raised as a Muslim. He claims to have become a Christian at some point, but he went to a Muslim school in Kenya, where only Muslims were allowed to attend (and citizens).
In view of his long association with Jeremiah Wright (reportedly 20 years) and black liberation theology, I would not consider him to be Christian, as what Wright preached is not Christianity. In addition, Obama's writings in his own book lead us to doubt his Christianity.
As to your second statement, "[a] good portion of them still believe Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11", do you have any evidence of this?
I don't know of one single Republican that has ever said Saddam had something to do with the 9/11 attack. However, this does not mean that Iraq was not supporting terrorists, providing weapons and money and providing training facilities. Those things we know to be true.
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The biggest laugher of all.....Most Republicans thought invading Iraq was a good idea......Now after 4000+ dead soldiers and 1 Trillion Dollars up in smoke, public opinion polls show most Americans know better.
There is no doubt that this will be debated for years to come. Much of public opinion on this has been shaped by the media, which is largely controlled by liberals (many of them former Democrat Party operatives). In the beginning, public opinion on the invasion of Iraq was much more favorable, and strategically, it made sense to remove Saddam, in view of his support for terrorism. If we were going to be successful in defeating terrorists, do you think it would have been wise to leave one of the chief terrorists in power in Iraq, where weapons, money, training and a safe haven could be provided?
There is much more to Iraq issue than most people are willing to acknowledge. Most simply repeat the mantra of the left and really give no serious thought to the question. But these people are not fighting the war, they know nothing about military strategy, and they do not have to make the tough decisions that military leaders do. It's easy for them to sit in their arm chair in front of the TV, curse George W. Bush and make simplistic (and untrue) comments like "it's all about oil", and "Bush is doing it for his father", or other silly and nonsensical statements.
As to your first statement, OB was raised as a Muslim. He claims to have become a Christian at some point, but he went to a Muslim school in Kenya, where only Muslims were allowed to attend (and citizens).
President Obama never lived in Kenya, never set foot in Kenya until he was an adult, and even if he had, he would hardly have been "raised Muslim" as his mother and biological father were both atheists. That you can't even get a basic fact like this right, after all this time, pretty well illustrates your grasp of the facts.
Barack Obama lived in Indonesia for two years, and attended an Indonesian public school with both Muslims and Christians.
Thanks for proving the OP's point, albeit not in a way he would've liked.
Very much aware that the attacks came from Afghanistan, not Iraq. I don't know if you'r aware that America's finest is currently in Afghanistan. The main reasons for going to Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11. Did you know that? let me teach you history and not the incorrect current events of which closed mindend thinking , Iraq refused to listen to NATO demands after attacking America's ally Kuwait. They were believed to have chemical weapons which they soon gave away in the years before. They were believed to having WMD's which were proven to not exist, but was a good reason to attack a country that is an "enemy" to the US of A. Iraq is currently an ally with the United States we gave them their first elections, food, and support. When we went to the middle east, America planned to suppress all of its enemys we were tired of the kids fighting in the sand box . About Bush being an "idoit" consider his IQ is higher then Obama's(based on speech patterns school papers and vocabulary, number of incorrect statements, ect. , Bush hasent had relations with 2 seperate terrorists, 1 anti-american priest for (20) years, and doesnt have socialist idea's that might have come from his anti' capitalist terrorist neighber that he visited. Obama is a very smart man, and I hope he leads America down the right path, 8 years from now America will be looking foward to a new Republican President considering that the same party has never been in the white house longer then 8 yrs, besides FDR.
I stay open minded and get my opinion based on facts not opinions.
11 misspellings, 4 grammatical errors, misuse of then/than. Brilliant.
But let me ask something: why is 9/11 any more product of "mental illness" than, say, Hiroshima? Personally, I would attribute both to what has become a chic amorality, rather than mental illness.
This is a tough one. Every time Hiroshima is mentioned, I feel that there isn't much I can say, except that I am shocked that it could happen. Another thing which I don't understand is how Paul Tibbets, the pilot that dropped the bomb, could say that he wasn't bothered by it, even long after the war was over...
That being said, I don't see any similarity between WW2 and Bin Laden.
as long as Americans keep watching American TV, well, yes...Every time something happens outside the USA borders, the only issue seems to be "how does this affect America?". If the news station considers it doesn't at all, they just skip it.
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