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Old 02-24-2009, 09:03 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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There's nothing new about gun-ban bills in Congress. They are regularly introduced, half a dozen or more in each session, and are routinely voted down or left to die in committee. Usually they are considered the detrius of legislation - the kind of junk you have to put up with while getting real legislation.

But there's one that, while it hasn't moved forward, hasn't died either. It's written by the founder of the Black Panthers, now a congresscritter from Illinois (the political environment that spawned Al Capone, Dan Rostenkowski, Rod Blagojevich, Roland Burris, and Barack Obama).

Is it being held in anticipation of the next mass shooting by some deranged individual, so that its backers can use the victims' death and agony to further their political agenda?

Wayne LaPierre warned about this during the Clinton administration. Is his prophecy on the way to being fulfilled?

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http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89830

Is bill lying in wait to ban handguns?
Activists worry another Columbine will spark end of 2nd Amendment

By Drew Zahn
Posted: February 23, 2009
10:13 pm Eastern

Tucked away in committee on Capitol Hill is a firearm licensing bill that Second Amendment advocates worry may just be waiting for the right "Columbine moment" to emerge and effectively ban handguns in the U.S.

As WND reported, U.S. Rep. Bobby Rush, D-Ill., sponsored H.R. 45, an extensive licensure law that creates a national database of current firearm owners, requires psychiatric testing and fingerprinting to obtain a license and places new restrictions on gun use and storage.

Mike Hammond, legal advisor with Gun Owners of America, told WND that H.R. 45 gives the federal government so much power over gun ownership, that the wrong administration could use it to "bring gun ownership in America to an end."

"It takes semi-automatic firearms and handguns – the guns people use for personal self-defense," Hammond said, "and sets up a licensure system, that is, the government would have to give you permission to own a gun. The government can therefore also deny that permission, and it would mean an anti-gun administration could use it to effectively ban most guns from private ownership.

"Even if you are willing to undergo a psychiatric exam, be fingerprinted and do what the bill requires to obtain a license, the law still requires the guns be unloaded and locked up," Hammond added. "It renders the gun practically unavailable for self-defense."

And even though H.R. 45 has remained dormant in the House Judiciary Committee since it was introduced, Hammond told WND that his organization is worried it may not stay there.

"Our concern is that Rep. Rush comes from same political machine that Barack Obama comes from," Hammond said. "So we have a real concern that Rush's introduction of this reflects the thinking of an Obama administration. And while we don't think this bill will be the first thing that the president pushes, before the Obama administration uses a Columbine incident to bring the bill alive, while it's still lying on its back [in committee], we want to put a stake through its heart."

Hammond summarized, "Ultimately if a license system is in place, any anti-gun administration can come after your guns."
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:10 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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The anti-gun groups (Brady Campaign, etc.) actually love school shootings and such, it's generally the only way they manage to get anything they want done.
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Old 02-24-2009, 09:30 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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Oh, look for all kinds of back door legislation to be popping up. We Hate Guns Inc is wringing their hand in anticipation of another mass shooting by some wackjob ( who will no doubt be disqualified from LEGAL firearms ownership under CURRENT law anyway) to give them a new tradgedy to wail over. It's odd, I remember being in high school and having my ranch guns hanging in the truck when I pulled into the school parking lot, and I was far from alone in that. Funny how we never had a mass shooting. By the reckoning of some we should have been Dodge City reborn.
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Old 02-24-2009, 11:53 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I remember being in high school and having my ranch guns hanging in the truck when I pulled into the school parking lot, and I was far from alone in that. Funny how we never had a mass shooting. By the reckoning of some we should have been Dodge City reborn.
If the gun-rights-haters keep getting their way, it may yet happen. Making laws to restrict or ban guns, only disarm the people who obey laws... leaving them at the mercy of the people who don't.

The bill, if passed, would be a direct violation of the 2nd amendment to the Constitution. And the Const says that any law that violates the Const, is automatically null and void.

So, if this bill passes, people who refuse to register as it requires, aren't violating any law at all... because that particular law vaporized as soon as it was signed.

The 2nd says that since an armed populace is necessary, no government can ban or restrict personal arms. A licensing law like this bill, is a plan to let government do exactly that. As such, it will be null and void as soon as it hits the books.
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Old 02-24-2009, 01:03 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Note for those intending to ignore such a licensing law, if it gets passed:

The Constitution does indeed say that such a law is null and void... and if we were really under the Rule of Law, that's all that would be needed.

But we haven't been under the Rule of Law for a long time. Our brethern of the southpaw persuasion, have been trying hard to turn our legal system into "It doesn't matter what the law says, it matters what the courts say, and you can't count on any particular prediction of that, especially after we get 'OUR' judges in place!". And then proceed to put judges on the bench who rule according to how they think the country SHOULD be, rather than how the Constitution and other laws say it MUST be.

So there may\\\will be a lot of people who "didn't get the word" about the law being null and void... including the cops who come to arrest you and the court judge who simply declares you violated Federal law, open and shut.

What the Constitution clearly says, will be of very little interest to them.
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Old 03-04-2009, 02:47 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Don't forget that the constitution gives no rights. It empowers the servant government to protect rights, and not infringe upon certain rights that existed prior to the constitution.

Your creator gave you the right to bear arms, as part of the defense of your right to life. When you meet a hungry lion in the jungle, whose right to life is superior?

If you can't defend your life, you're the entre.

And when two legged predators come upon you, calling 911 won't do much good - other than to help inform your next of kin where the body lies. The government is under no obligation to protect everyone, nor can you sue for failure to protect (except when in custody).

It's your responsibility.

Instead of gun bans, we should emulate the SWISS SOLUTION: Home storage of fully automatic assault rifles.

From a site trying to end gun storage at home:
Swiss army gun law campaign (http://www.iansa.org/regions/europe/Swisscampaign.htm - broken link)
Military guns
There are about 200,000 Swiss men who undertake military service in
annual courses of 2-4 weeks. They are permitted to keep their military weapon at home. ... A further 1.5 million military guns are estimated to belong to former militiamen.
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1.7 million "assault rifles".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland
7.5 million population

1.7 million full auto military rifles / 7.5 million population = "armed to the teeth"

BUT THIS IS THE KICKER:
Guns, Crime, and the Swiss - by Stephen P. Halbrook

" In a word, Switzerland, which is awash in guns, has substantially lower murder and robbery rates than England, where most guns are banned.

" Besides the [Swiss] militia system requiring automatic rifles and/or semiautomatic pistols to be kept in the homes of all males aged 20 to 42, firearms are readily available for purchase in gun shops. Yet firearms are rarely used in violent crime. Notes Clinard, "These facts contrast strikingly with the belief that a low criminal homicide rate is due to strict firearms regulations." Homicide is tied to a willingness to resort to violence, not the mere presence of firearms..."


Based on the Swiss experience, we need 68 million assault rifles stored at home to close the gap.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:01 AM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Gun ownership: 90 guns for every 100 U.S. Citizens, #1 in the World

"When It Comes to Guns, We're No. 1"

By Laura MacInnis,Reuters
Posted: 2007-08-29 06:31:10

GENEVA (Aug. 28) - The United States has 90 guns for every 100 citizens, making it the most heavily armed society in the world, a report released on Tuesday said.

U.S. citizens own 270 million of the world's 875 million known firearms, according to the Small Arms Survey 2007 by the Geneva-based Graduate Institute of International Studies.

About 4.5 million of the 8 million new guns manufactured worldwide each year are purchased in the United States, it said.

"There is roughly one firearm for every seven people worldwide. Without the United States, though, this drops to about one firearm per 10 people," it said.

India had the world's second-largest civilian gun arsenal, with an estimated 46 million firearms outside law enforcement and the military, though this represented just four guns per 100 people there.
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Old 03-04-2009, 11:21 AM
 
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HR 45 is going nowhere. The same Congressman introduced the same bill ( different number ) in 2007. Over a period of months it attracted 16 co-sponsors out of the 435 members in the House.
That is truly pathetic.
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Old 03-04-2009, 03:21 PM
 
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I believe that any proposed gun bans by our politicians have nothing to do with crime rates or drug runners in Mexico. I believe they have everything to do with government control over our lives. I believe that if some of our politicians are sucessful in trashing our 2nd ammendment then the 1st and the 4th will not be too far behind.

For those of you who wish to have a totally government controlled nanny state utopia then a gun ban would be a good first step in that direction.

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government". By Thomas Jefferson
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