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Old 02-27-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Here's just one reason: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?hp

Seems the USA is nothing but an arms bazaar for the Mexican Drug cartels, who buy AK-47's from shady dealers (like the one in the NYTimes article) or private owners and ship them over the border to Mexico, where thousands of people have been murdered in the past two years.
Illegal full auto guns are available cheaper south of our border than legal semi-auto rifles are here. And the grenade comments truly demonstrates the absurdity. You can't just go into a gun shop and buy a grenade.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:48 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Well, here in the Augusta area last Halloween a child out trick or treating was shot to death by an ex-felon with an assault rifle who mistaked his knock at the door for a drug dealer. He shot at the door from inside the house and the bullets went through the door and stuck the kid. Seems like as good a reason as any to outlaw them!
He was a felon and already prohibited from owning any firearm. He did not legally get his gun because if he had done so the NICS check would have denied him.
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Old 02-27-2009, 01:50 PM
 
Location: The Woods
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Maybe because of people like Martin Bryant who killed 35 people with a semi-automatic rifle in the Port Arthur massacre. The same thing could just as easily happened in this country.
And people there are disarmed and defenseless when a lunatic illegally kills them. Support the loosening of carry laws here to enable people to defend themselves. At Appalachian School of Law some students who had firearms in their cars managed to stop a crazy shooter before he massacred 30+ students.
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Old 02-27-2009, 02:09 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Mike from back east View Post
Here's just one reason: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?hp

Seems the USA is nothing but an arms bazaar for the Mexican Drug cartels, who buy AK-47's from shady dealers (like the one in the NYTimes article) or private owners and ship them over the border to Mexico, where thousands of people have been murdered in the past two years.
And.............

The attorney general also suggested that re-instituting a U.S. ban on the sale of assault weapons would help reduce the bloodshed in Mexico, where last year 6,000 people were killed in drug-related violence.

Increasingly, U.S. law enforcement officials see cartel violence spill into the United States, often as far away as Phoenix and Atlanta.

Newsmax.com - Mexico Drug Cartels Exporting Bloody Mayhem to U.S.

Please like these people buy them legally!


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Old 03-01-2009, 09:27 PM
 
Location: Holly Neighborhood, Austin, Texas
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And people there are disarmed and defenseless when a lunatic illegally kills them. Support the loosening of carry laws here to enable people to defend themselves. At Appalachian School of Law some students who had firearms in their cars managed to stop a crazy shooter before he massacred 30+ students.
That occasionally happens but Va Tech, Univ. Texas, Port Arthur, etc. are the norm. If everyone had guns on college campuses we would have a whole new round of problems that we don't have now. Little scuffles would turn into gun battles instead of black eyes.

I have also heard, but can't remember the source, that families with guns in their houses are statistically more likely to have the firearm used on a family member than an intruder. For historical references I would cite Marvin Gaye (shot by his father) or Phil Hartman (shot by his wife).
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:26 AM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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why you ask?

because firearms in general threaten the democrats, republicans and the federal goverment when they are screwing over the american people.
firearms are the sole instrument that can force the goverment to change its mind about a policy or issue.
take that right away or make useless laws against firearms in order to make it them ineffective, and the federal goverment will be able to run roughshod over the entire american public without any consequences at all.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Yep, that's the Excuse of the Week. It wasn't the one they used last time. And when that one goes away, they'll come up with yet another, the next time.

As I said, laws banning guns only affect people who obey laws. They disarm only the law-abiding, while criminals go right on getting all the guns they want.

Now the Obama administration wants to put it back. The current excuse is that a neighboring country is having problems with its own citizen, over which we have no jurisdiction. But for them, we now have to give up our own guns. Or at least start. Never mind that this has never worked in the past, and that criminals will still freely get all the guns they want... since criminals don't obey our laws.

In fact, the Obama administration wants to re-establish the idea that they can ban guns from law-abiding citizens at any time, for any reason, and don't have to worry about that pesky Constitution any more.

LOL. Read the papers. The cartels are getting all of their weapons from the United States. Then they are going back and blowing the hell up out of their country so they can sell drugs to all of our home grown addicts. And now the violence is spreading to this side of the border. Innocent Americans are now getting kidnapped and killed by freaks with these types of weapons.

See, it is all connected. I don't see anything in the constitution about so called assualt weapons anywhere. You can continue to blow up Bambi and little clay saucers and stroke your shotgun on your couch in your living room to your heart's delight.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:12 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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That occasionally happens but Va Tech, Univ. Texas, Port Arthur, etc. are the norm. If everyone had guns on college campuses we would have a whole new round of problems that we don't have now. Little scuffles would turn into gun battles instead of black eyes.

I have also heard, but can't remember the source, that families with guns in their houses are statistically more likely to have the firearm used on a family member than an intruder. For historical references I would cite Marvin Gaye (shot by his father) or Phil Hartman (shot by his wife).
In Utah carrying of firearms in colleges is quite legal, and there haven't been the issues you suggest...typical anti argument, "there's going to be blood in the streets" whenever gun rights are strengthened, and it just never happens...
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Arizona
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Illegal full auto guns are available cheaper south of our border than legal semi-auto rifles are here.
Your source please.
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Old 03-02-2009, 07:15 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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LOL. Read the papers. The cartels are getting all of their weapons from the United States. Then they are going back and blowing the hell up out of their country so they can sell drugs to all of our home grown addicts. And now the violence is spreading to this side of the border. Innocent Americans are now getting kidnapped and killed by freaks with these types of weapons.

See, it is all connected. I don't see anything in the constitution about so called assualt weapons anywhere. You can continue to blow up Bambi and little clay saucers and stroke your shotgun on your couch in your living room to your heart's delight.
Mexico claims that but they have been unwilling to hand over any serial numbers to prove it. There may be a tiny number of individuals who are already illegally selling arms but the notion that the drug smugglers are coming to American gun shops and buying cases of grenades and full-auto AK's is absurd, for many reasons. As has been said...full-auto firearms are cheaper there in Mexico on the black market than legal semi-auto firearms are in the U.S.

The second amendment states that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." I see nothing there allowing for any bans. I also see nothing about hunting.

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