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Old 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM
 
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Haha - when I read that I was like, "This sounds like one of those conservative emails that distorts facts beyond recognition but is for some reason believed by recipients simply because it is in their inbox and they want it to be true".

Then Freedom confirmed that's exactly what it was.

You should read history books on Hitler instead of email propaganda. As a student of history, I can assure you there are barely shreds of reality in this "biography".

Come on, freedom. Think for yourself.

I remember getting one of these conservative emails (and they are a uniquely conservative phenomenon) before the election with all these "quotes" from Obama attacking white people and celebrating Islam. I did some research and discovered that they were all taken out of context, distorted beyond recognition, or completely made up to try and paint him as some radical through false propaganda. Yet, sure enough, a very educated, intelligent, passionate conservative forwarded it to me as if it were fact.

Freedom, a very wise man once said, "Your people will judge you by what you create, not what you destroy."

Show us a better way that works and you may well win our support. The last 8 years were an utter failure. Reagan adjusted well the rampant liberalism of the 60s and 70s but ran up the biggest deficits in history and didn't correct them before he left office.

O for 2.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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This should be tattooed onto your forehead so that decades from now people can see just what level of intellect they are dealing with.
You know what Idahoed?

A Maryland....
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Haha - when I read that I was like, "This sounds like one of those conservative emails that distorts facts beyond recognition but is for some reason believed by recipients simply because it is in their inbox and they want it to be true".
It didn't have any party afflilliations

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Then Freedom confirmed that's exactly what it was.

You should read history books on Hitler instead of email propaganda. As a student of history, I can assure you there are barely shreds of reality in this "biography".
Not that i think its perfectly accurate, but no one has shown anything to contradict it. Do you have anything other than saying, "no its not".


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I remember getting one of these conservative emails before the election with all these "quotes" from Obama attacking white people and celebrating Islam. I did some research and discovered that they were all taken out of context, distorted beyond recognition, or completely made up to try and paint him as some radical.
I didn't get that one.
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Freedom, a very wise man once said, "Your people will judge you by what you create, not what you destroy."
I think that is innacurate when it comes to Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Sadaam, etc...

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Show us a better way that works. The last 8 years were an utter failure. Reagan fixed rampant liberalism but ran up the biggest deficits in history and didn't correct them before he left office.

The last 200 yrs. has been built on failures. Your realize how many have died needlessly because of Populous leaders.

If your talking about Bush's history, it depends who writes it.
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Old 02-27-2009, 05:52 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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The post came in an email and was meant to provoke thought, maybe even the kind of thought that would have left your family legacy in tact...

Your pathetic grandstanding because your family didn't pull their heads out soon enough, is exactly the spark necessary for this country to wake the hell up and quit falling for this POPULUS drivel...

Obamanation's words are not matching up with his actions... He will take us down the path of Marshall law and eventually being chipped and herded into conCentration camps...

Just like you dear family , so maybe everyone needs to pull their heads out of the sand, and wash their eyes and again WAKE THE HELL UP....
Grandstanding? I should expect talk like that from someone who probably voted for "W"! Our laws actually prevent the president from having absolute power and the chance of having marshall law invoked is the same as the piece of crap rising from the grave and taking control from germany again. Why don't you just acknowledge your membership in the KKK. Usually the ones who stress "FREEDOM" of speech are the ones pushing the limits. Those usually are the white supremacist idiots and especially now that the old hillbilly is on his way back to Texas are they now stirring up more trouble.It must kill them that a country that is supposedly so racist in parts still preferred a black man to a white one.A black man and a white woman had a kid,so what. I didn't know Hitler had a black parent. Thats because he didn't.He also wasn't exiled from a country. He also didn't have a stupid ink blotch above his lip and a bad haircut.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:06 PM
 
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I read through that again and it's just outrageous. You have to understand how infuriating it is to have someone as horrific as Hitler falsely compared to someone like Obama.

Your "email" conveniently leaves out our mystery character working his way through one of the top universities in the world and then one of the best law schools (where he became editor of the prestigious law review) before becoming a professor of Constitutional Law at one of the best universities in the world. Oh wait, that was Obama...not Hitler. Hitler struggled to find his place academically and was rejected in his attempts to study painting and failed in his attempts to become an architect.

Your email leaves out the deep occult that Hitler pursued and makes it seem as if Obama was raised in a religion (he wasn't - he was raised in a secular home). It reinterprets the physical abuse Hitler endured from his father as "my father showed no interest in me" so that it would sound like Obama.

I could go on and on. It's just outrageous what you're trying to imply about Obama who has been nothing but a model citizen and a strong embodiment of conservative family values.

Even though this is Wikipedia, it's a starter history for ya:

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Good luck.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:31 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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Grandstanding? I should expect talk like that from someone who probably voted for "W"! Our laws actually prevent the president from having absolute power and the chance of having marshall law invoked is the same as the piece of crap rising from the grave and taking control from germany again. Why don't you just acknowledge your membership in the KKK. Usually the ones who stress "FREEDOM" of speech are the ones pushing the limits. Those usually are the white supremacist idiots and especially now that the old hillbilly is on his way back to Texas are they now stirring up more trouble.It must kill them that a country that is supposedly so racist in parts still preferred a black man to a white one.A black man and a white woman had a kid,so what. I didn't know Hitler had a black parent. Thats because he didn't.He also wasn't exiled from a country. He also didn't have a stupid ink blotch above his lip and a bad haircut.

Wow, keep talking... you obviously know nothing about where we are at in history and how much has already been written and put into policy, and how easy it would be to take our freedoms from us.
Not too far removed from where Germany was when you family didn't see it coming.
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Old 02-27-2009, 06:36 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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I read through that again and it's just outrageous. You have to understand how infuriating it is to have someone as horrific as Hitler falsely compared to someone like Obama.

Your "email" conveniently leaves out our mystery character working his way through one of the top universities in the world and then one of the best law schools (where he became editor of the prestigious law review) before becoming a professor of Constitutional Law at one of the best universities in the world. Oh wait, that was Obama...not Hitler. Hitler struggled to find his place academically and was rejected in his attempts to study painting and failed in his attempts to become an architect.

Your email leaves out the deep occult that Hitler pursued and makes it seem as if Obama was raised in a religion (he wasn't - he was raised in a secular home). It reinterprets the physical abuse Hitler endured from his father as "my father showed no interest in me" so that it would sound like Obama.

I could go on and on. It's just outrageous what you're trying to imply about Obama who has been nothing but a model citizen and a strong embodiment of conservative family values.

Even though this is Wikipedia, it's a starter history for ya:

Adolf Hitler - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Good luck.
It doesn't say Hitler was white either...

It's not meant to assert that they are clones... its hyperbole and simile.

O'bama was raised in a Muslim school, hardly secular.

O'bama and Hitler both like drugs, just at different times.

O'bama and Hitler both drank water, and breathed air....

get it.
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Old 02-27-2009, 07:57 PM
 
Location: Long Island,New York
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Wow, keep talking... you obviously know nothing about where we are at in history and how much has already been written and put into policy, and how easy it would be to take our freedoms from us.
Not too far removed from where Germany was when you family didn't see it coming.
When you are allowed to speak your garbage and that can't be taken away that's now and not then(Hitler's Germany). I don't see Obama pushing for Christians not being allowed to marry Jews. I don't see a change of the flag coming.Money is going to unemployment and creating jobs now as a priority unlike then.Ones white,the other black,ones father abused him and his mother,the other was just raised by his mother, one excelled in school while the other dropped out,attempted architect who failed(not Obama).Whats next? They were both born on earth? They both ate lettuce occasionally?Your comparisons are pitiful! If you knew how the government worked,our bi-laws,and the constitution; you'd realize that we have certain elements built in to prevent anything like a coup d etat (military overthrow) to happen as well as the existence of the house and senate which aid in decision making and passing of laws.We don't have a perfect system but in a democratic society the existence of a tyrant with absolute power is NON EXISTANT. Also as a former military member the UCMJ prevents this as well.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Socialist Republik of Amerika
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When you are allowed to speak your garbage and that can't be taken away that's now and not then(Hitler's Germany). I don't see Obama pushing for Christians not being allowed to marry Jews. I don't see a change of the flag coming.Money is going to unemployment and creating jobs now as a priority unlike then.Ones white,the other black,ones father abused him and his mother,the other was just raised by his mother, one excelled in school while the other dropped out,attempted architect who failed(not Obama).Whats next? They were both born on earth? They both ate lettuce occasionally?Your comparisons are pitiful! If you knew how the government worked,our bi-laws,and the constitution; you'd realize that we have certain elements built in to prevent anything like a coup d etat (military overthrow) to happen as well as the existence of the house and senate which aid in decision making and passing of laws.We don't have a perfect system but in a democratic society the existence of a tyrant with absolute power is NON EXISTANT. Also as a former military member the UCMJ prevents this as well.

First off we are a Republic, and to conclude... your right. You don't see.
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Old 02-27-2009, 08:52 PM
 
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Wow. At some point you're going to realize you've been fed a pile of lies.

There's no apostrophe in his name. It's just Obama.

If you're going to write fake biographies, you should at least make sure the name is real.

Obama was raised in a secular family. You can read about it yourself.

As for his going to a "Muslim school" for 2 years when he was really young, why that would matter? Are you afraid of Muslims? Do you think they are inherently evil or dangerous? A lot of Muslims were in my high school - head scarves and beards and everything. They were usually amongst the smartest, most peaceful students.

But, all that aside, here's the fact check:

"But reporting by CNN in Jakarta, Indonesia and Washington, D.C., shows the allegations that Obama attended a madrassa to be false. CNN dispatched Senior International Correspondent John Vause to Jakarta to investigate.


He visited the Basuki school, which Obama attended from 1969 to 1971.


"This is a public school. We don't focus on religion," Hardi Priyono, deputy headmaster of the Basuki school, told Vause. "In our daily lives, we try to respect religion, but we don't give preferential treatment."


Vause reported he saw boys and girls dressed in neat school uniforms playing outside the school, while teachers were dressed in Western-style clothes.


"I came here to Barack Obama's elementary school in Jakarta looking for what some are calling an Islamic madrassa ... like the ones that teach hate and violence in Pakistan and Afghanistan," Vause said on the "Situation Room" Monday. "I've been to those madrassas in Pakistan ... this school is nothing like that."


Vause also interviewed one of Obama's Basuki classmates, Bandug Winadijanto, who claims that not a lot has changed at the school since the two men were pupils. Insight reported that Obama's political opponents believed the school promoted Wahhabism, a fundamentalist form of Islam, "and are seeking to prove it."


"It's not (an) Islamic school. It's general," Winadijanto said. "There is a lot of Christians, Buddhists, also Confucian. ... So that's a mixed school."

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Confucius say, "Obama no Hitler. Spread love, not hate, freedom. He's one of the good ones."
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