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This thread is ridiculously off-topic. It's clear that there are no members of the GOP either capable of or willing to offer alternatives to President Obama's platform, or they would have trumpeted them from the rooftops ages ago...like before November 4, 2008. Their only strategy now is to sit on their
hands and do nothing to help the country: what an amazing show of patriotism! Perhaps they should take a step away from their newly-
discovered sense of fiscal responsibility and obstructionism and work on legislation that would help all Americans, not just their wealthy owners. As things stand, their underlying theme is simple:
It seems to me that you must have read the results of that thing with the same set of eyes I use, since we saw the same thing. i think that if you aren't a liberal, you are a conservative, in the eyes of liberals.
That's because liberals see no shades of gray. To them there are 2 views .... liberal, or wrong.
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This thread is ridiculously off-topic. It's clear that there are no members of the GOP either capable of or willing to offer alternatives to President Obama's platform, ....................
Threads often tend to go of topic, but how long can you really talk about whether or not the internet is overrun with conservatives which is sort of like saying that conservatives control the networks?
But your post raises a question for me. It's "clear"??? Clear to whom? To you? To liberals? It's not clear to me. You may not hear conservatives' alternatives on the media, but I've heard several conservative common sense views put forth about how to get out of this mess.
Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm not giving up on Obama yet. I may not agree with him on much, but he's a brilliant guy ... and I think he's a man willing to change his mind if he sees failure down the road. We will see.
Please give it a rest. Your ignorance of 20th century American political and business history is appalling.
The rich will just pass on the taxes to the masses by rasing the rent or price of goods or simply by laying workers off and buying gold. The wealthy are not just going to give there money to the govenment free of charge. Politician know that they have to sound off to stay in office but the wealthy fund them.
That's because liberals see no shades of gray. To them there are 2 views .... liberal, or wrong.
That is quite a blanket statement, McMolly...charcoal gray, dove gray,
mouse gray, smoke gray, ash gray, battleship gray...you get the idea.
Threads often tend to go of topic, but how long can you really talk about whether or not the internet is overrun with conservatives which is sort of like saying that conservatives control the networks?
I don't know; how long can posters indulge in the delusion that President Obama wasn't born in Hawaii.
But your post raises a question for me. It's "clear"??? Clear to whom? To you? To liberals? It's not clear to me. You may not hear conservatives' alternatives on the media, but I've heard several conservative common sense views put forth about how to get out of this mess.
Have the Republicans offered up a stimulus package to be considered alongside President Obama's? Have they presented any complete alternatives to the proposed health care legislation, any comprehensive
plans to lower the unemployment rate? To help those Americans facing
foreclosure? It's one thing for an economist or politician to express their
opinions, but quite another to perform the difficult task of gathering info
on the problems from all of the relevant sources and creating a different
set of policies to enact. Without any alternative legislation being offered
by the GOP, it is probably clear to a great many people.
Rome wasn't built in a day and I'm not giving up on Obama yet. I may not agree with him on much, but he's a brilliant guy ... and I think he's a man willing to change his mind if he sees failure down the road. We will see.
And it's good to know that you are keeping an open mind and are not one of those who want to see the president, and by extension the country, fail. People seem to forget that democracy is the art of compromise, to
negotiate until both sides are comfortable with the agreement that's been
reached. The idea never was to always have a 100% consensus. Rome did
not fall in a day either, so I seriously doubt that 4 to 8 years of President Obama will destroy the U.S. And yes, he is very brilliant; the country is fortunate that he emerged from the crowd and is willing to tackle all of our national problems...it's a daunting task.
And it's good to know that you are keeping an open mind and are not one of those who want to see the president, and by extension the country, fail. People seem to forget that democracy is the art of compromise, to
negotiate until both sides are comfortable with the agreement that's been
reached. The idea never was to always have a 100% consensus. Rome did
not fall in a day either, so I seriously doubt that 4 to 8 years of President Obama will destroy the U.S. And yes, he is very brilliant; the country is fortunate that he emerged from the crowd and is willing to tackle all of our national problems...it's a daunting task.
I'm concerned that you quoted me in your post but added your own words making it appear that they are my words.
For anyone reading Salukifan's post just above this one, only part of that is my post and the rest is written in by Salukifan. To the question posed in there, yes they have and it's falling on deaf ears.
I can't agree Obama is "very" brilliant. But he is smart, he wants to be elected a 2nd term. Unlike others, I don't think he wants to screw up the country because if he does he will be remembered not only as the first black President, but the worst President in history. So if the country gets screwed up, it won't be because Obama wanted to do it ... it will be because his vision was way off track. So I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. In this "I want it now" world, a few weeks just isn't enough to judge whether he's right or wrong. Simply because something hasn't worked in the past does not mean those ideas won't work in this time and in this moment in history.
I'm a little tired of the word "inherited" ... all Obama's spokespeople (and Obama himself) keep drumming that into our heads. The fact is that every President inherits what has come before. He chose to be President even when he believed he would "inherit" a war we had not won. But now we have success in Iraq and he'll get the glory of taking the troops out within the same timeframe of the Bush administration. So instead of inheriting the Iraq war, he inherited a crumbling economy. So did Reagan and he got to the task of recovery rather than pointing fingers at how we got there.
We're here. It's time for the blame game to stop and for governing to begin.
Further, your statement speaks for itself............you state that 4 to 8 years of Obama will not destroy this country. I agree. So 8 years of Bush didn't destroy the country either.
A great President can bring this country out of the abyss it finds itself; an abyss that Bush did not alone create but rather decades of greed and self involvement on the part of many individuals, Democrats and Republicans alike.
Hey there, SalukiFan1 when you said the following words I wonder if you were really thinking what they say.
People seem to forget that democracy is the art of compromise, to
negotiate until both sides are comfortable with the agreement that's been
reached.
Do you think that Nasty Nancy and Dirty Harry have ever heard anything like that? I think not since all they know as an answer when Republicans suggest anything different than they are trying to push through their answer is always that they won the election. What about those words show a desire to compromise or negotiate?
Somehow, I just don't see any desire to talk with the enemy and we surely won't hear any of those things from CNN or the other parts of our media. Somehow, I just don't see the majority trying to compromise, but maybe you can explain why I can't see that.
The 'conservative' forums are chock full of 'em...this site is chock full of 'em....everywhere I look there are conservatives strewn about willy-nilly.
It's a little unsettling.
Don't get me wrong I think of myself as a moderate and middle of the road type person but for representing about 50% of the public (I'm guessing) they sure do seem to have this internet thing in the bag.
Way to organize old timers!
Hmmmm, sombody else just said (in another thread) that they thought the liberals outnumbered the conservatives!
One of the reasons I post so little here anymore is that the scale here is tipped by the liberals ... or maybe it would be more accurate to say that there's not much openmindedness on the part of most (not all) liberal posters so it seems over run.
I feel I'm beating my head against the wall most of the time because no matter what I say I'm told I'm misinformed, stupid or worse.
That's one of their favorite tactics; if they don't have an argument, you are "uniformed", "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", etc, etc.
Even my daughter, who posts on another forum, says that she is always being told she is "uneducated" or "stupid" (never mind that she went to a Christian school with full scholarship, and as a home schooled student, scored in the high 90 percentile on the standardized tests, which she was required to take every year, as opposed to the public school students who do not, and score substantially lower). Of course she realizes this is just a tactic.
We see that tactic here too, on the CD-Forum. It is just typical of the left, who cannot support their arguments with logic and reason. All they have are the standard cliches.
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And this is the most frightening for me. My husband and I are middle class seniors, the forgotten Americans in all of this. Obama talks about "Wall Street big cats" seemingly unaware that so many of us invested in this market aren't fat cats at all .... just everyday human beings who worked and saved all our lives only to see ourselves now poised on the precipice of who knows what and he says he's sending each of us a $250 check.
This is what so many of the leftists that post here do not realize: Average Americans have invested in the stock market. It isn't just a bunch of "rich". People have put their life savings into stocks in the hope that when they retire, they do not have to just depend on Social "Security". Isn't that what we are supposed to do? Save, and invest? It helps America, and it helps the individual. But the leftists have demonized those who earn from investing. It is part of their effort to bring everyone down to the level of the very poorest. It is sick, and it is not American.
These people need to be defeated once and for all. It is they who are destroying liberty and freedom (and they know it too...it is by design...they are socialists. Learn it, and act accordingly).
Obama is evil, and so is the Democrat Party. Together, we can and must wipe them out. Election 2010 is not far off. Don't give up. Keep posting, and learning about who these people are. We can and mustdefeat them.
The same reason they listen to talk radio. Politics is entertainment to them. Me too!
The main reason people listen to conservative talk radio is that they agree with the views being expressed. This is the mistake you people make: It is not just entertainment. Yes, Rush is entertaining, as is Glen Beck. But they are dead serious about their views, and we, as listeners (most of us) are also dead serious about what we believe, and we agree with the arguments being presented.
When I first discovered Rush (I was living in Southern California at the time), I thought, "Who is this? A talk show host articulating the views I have always held? How is it that he is allowed to be on the air? This is amazing." I became a regular listener at that time. There were others too, less well known at the time. One was our own former mayor (of San Diego) Roger Hedgecock. He was only heard locally at the time. He was our own "Rush". When we moved to Ohio in 1993, I was excited to hear Roger sitting in for Rush one day. Now, he too, has a national audience, and is a syndicated columnist.
It isn't about entertainment at all. It is about information, and knowing what our government is up to, which you cannot get from any so-called "mainstream" sources anymore. They all speak the "liberal" party line (or is that "lie").
I disagree, Conservatives are probably the most unorganized, unrallied bunch out there.
I wonder what that was we were seeing when Sarah Palin would speak prior to the election of the Obama idiot? She drew huge crowds, and they were clearly energized by her. I would say she "rallied" the base, much more than McCain.
This is because people agreed with her message.
"Unorganized"? "Unralliedd"? Don't think so. If Sarah Palin had been running for the top spot, the outcome just might have been different.
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Perhaps they should take a step away from their newly-
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