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Old 03-21-2009, 01:43 AM
 
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besides, with public school teachers like this I doubt many would be willing to lead students in prayer.
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The guy is a jerk, and I think what he did was illegal. So what? This only reinforces my belief that the government can't involve itself with religion, either pro- or con-.
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:48 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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The guy is a jerk, and I think what he did was illegal. So what? This only reinforces my belief that the government can't involve itself with religion, either pro- or con-.
The problem is though he's the minority among public school educators, there are plenty of others just like him. There have been cases of school staff trying to stop students from bringing their bible to school or praying before eating school lunch. This has gone beyond no school led prayer and into no religion in school. Schools are even stopping students from singing Christmas songs that may have some religious meaning in the song, changed the name from Christmas vacation and Easter vacation to winter break and spring break all to avoid anything to do with religion.
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:54 AM
 
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The problem is though he's the minority among public school educators, there are plenty of others just like him. There have been cases of school staff trying to stop students from bringing their bible to school or praying before eating school lunch. This has gone beyond no school led prayer and into no religion in school. Schools are even stopping students from singing Christmas songs that may have some religious meaning in the song, changed the name from Christmas vacation and Easter vacation to winter break and spring break all to avoid anything to do with religion.
This is wrong. I detest these things. The answer is to discipline or fire those involved.

These actions, however, are irrelevant to the issue of school sponsored prayer.
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Old 03-21-2009, 01:58 AM
 
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Geez,

It's OK to have classes where girls are sliding condoms over cucumbers, but it's not OK to say a silent prayer?

That's schools these days.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:01 AM
 
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Geez,

It's OK to have classes where girls are sliding condoms over cucumbers, but it's not OK to say a silent prayer?

That's schools these days.
The Constitution doesn't prohibit sex education.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:08 AM
 
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The Constitution doesn't prohibit sex education.
Good Point Nvxplorer,

I could go on about how Congress keeps attempting to bend the Constitution ... but this is not the right thread.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:11 AM
 
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Good Point Nvxplorer,

I could go on about how Congress keeps attempting to bend the Constitution ... but this is not the right thread.
Of course, it is the SCOTUS that interprets the Document, so Congress can attempt anything they want. You and I may disagree with the Court's rulings, but for better or worse, that's the system we have.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:21 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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Here's another example.
Bible-study lawsuit parties in mediation : Local News : Knoxville News Sentinel
But, as Phillips notes in one of his many rulings in the case, both teacher Virginia Larue's account of the Scripture scrape and Summa's own comments to the media belie the principal's version of events.
"Ms. LaRue's testimony raises questions of fact regarding the Bible study stoppage and Principal Summa's involvement in stopping the Bible study," he wrote.
LaRue recalled that a parent complained about fourth-graders studying the Bible together during recess, so LaRue went to Summa.
Summa, she said, said they could not have an "organized Bible study."
Summa and schools spokesman Russ Oaks initially defended the decision, arguing that recess was not free time but "instructional time," so students were not free to study the Bible on the playground.
Having viewed media accounts of the pair's comments, Phillips questioned the school system's assertion that Summa never meant to ban Bible study at recess.
"Such a misunderstanding does not explain why Summa and other school representatives defended the action in stopping the Bible discussion upon the enunciated policy that recess time is instructional time when it became clear that the children only wanted to conduct the activity on the playground during recess," Phillips wrote.
Since the lawsuit was filed, the school system has since promised in writing to allow students "religious expression" during "discretionary time."
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:23 AM
 
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Parent's can instruct their kids not to pray in school.

Kids don't always listen. If a kid prays in school and doesn't get caught, is that any more or less offensive than if a kid smokes a cigarette in the bathroom, and doesn't get caught?

I understand the argument for seperation of church and state. Taking it out a bit, and this has nothing to do with church, it is a state matter. Kids selling drugs in school should be a concern.

On what level do you equate this type of behavior with an offensive prayer to God?

Schools aren't perfect and neither are kids.

Theoretically I'm with you. In my heart ..... I don't know.
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Old 03-21-2009, 02:24 AM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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