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Old 06-23-2009, 09:41 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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http://newledger.com/2009/06/through...drew-sullivan/

Wonderful article chronicling Sullivan's descent into insanity.

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Some attribute this to President Obama’s pretty face. That’s demeaning. Some attribute it to George W. Bush’s stance on gay marriage – but that would be ridiculous, not merely because it would suggest that Sullivan is a one-dimensional writer obsessed with sex, but also because it would make Sullivan seem like an utter nutter for hating former Vice President Dick Cheney (a proponent of gay marriage and federalism) with the intensity of a thousand suns. (It would also raise questions about the man’s sanity in another way: Candidate Obama was clear that he opposed gay marriage, and occasionally likes to have a good laugh about angry, protesting gays. Yet Sullivan’s admiration continues.)
Very well written.
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:05 PM
 
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I wonder why anyone would put that much effort into a screed about a not-so-well-known opinion journalist.
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:23 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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Really scraping the bottom of the barrel for tonight's talking points.
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:29 PM
 
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"To say that Sullivan has focused his laser-like mind on human reproductive organs is to engage in an understatement worthy of the master himself."

That's funny: I thought it was right-wing Republicans who focused on this.

"One could focus on his decision to start calling a 4,000 year old religious tradition “male genital mutilation,” thus cleverly calling untold generations of Jews child abusers and torturers, a decision that marks the sort of intellectual territory into which only a man bravely unwilling to live in Israel can tread."

A lot of people feel that circumcision is "male genital mutilation," including some Jews. And where, precisely, did Sullivan "[call] untold generations of Jews child abuser and torturers"?

"Few are gifted with the ability . . . to offer informed medical opinions on changes to the female body during mid- and late-term pregnancy — opinions at odds with normal understandings of human biology and the preeminent textbooks of the field."

What "medical opinions" did Sullivan "offer"?

Palin "a reformer who had challenged the old guard of her party and state government. . ."

LMAO.

"[T]he biological impossibility of a seventeen year-old girl giving birth to two non-fraternal children less than eleven months apart"?

What does he mean by this? That it's not possible for a woman to give birth to one child and then to another 11 months later?

(So far, it seems to me that the author himself is becoming somewhat obsessed with "human reproductive organs"--since it is the focus of the entire first half of the article.)

"The mark of a genius, and of an utter crank, is delving into conspiracy theories at which the rest of us scoff. "

Hmmm. Like Obama's "birth certificate" conspiracy? Or his world domination "socialist" conspiracy?

"Gentle as always, the man who once rationalized away his faithful-to-some-future-form-of-Catholicism as a bar to supporting legalized abortion in the name of privacy explained that Sarah Palin’s vagina was an open target as the post-convention bounce and Palin’s star appeal was carrying the ticket in front of Barack Obama and that other guy. . . "

Really? Where did Sullivan mention "Palin's vagina"? (But again, perhaps this is just the author's ongoing obsession with "human reproductive organs.")

"Do what the Magisterium is unable and unwilling to do, and explain how abortion and homosexuality fit squarely into a faith that has opposed these things for two thousand years."

First, the Catholic Church (to which the author is specifically referring) has not been in existence for two thousand years. Second, the Catholic Church was pretty equivocal about homosexuality until the 12th century.

And on and on.

Silly--although somewhat disturbingly homophobically obsessive--article.
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Old 06-23-2009, 10:31 PM
 
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I wonder why anyone would put that much effort into a screed about a not-so-well-known opinion journalist.
Indeed. The homophobic subtext, in particular, leads one to speculate that perhaps the author . . . . ? Nah.
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Sullivan was/is a Trig truther - he was sure Trig was Palin's grandson, not her actual son. He was obsessed with investigating every avenue of her "pregnancy".
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Old 06-24-2009, 09:31 AM
 
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It seems to me that if you are on record saying that your life is an open book, and you have a state-run web-page about your infant son, and your own children’s travel is paid for by the state, and you presented your infant son at a convention televised across the entire world, and you sent out a press release outing your own daughter’s current pregnancy, then it is not despicable, evil, vile or outrageous for the press to ask factual, answerable questions about Sarah Palin’s experiences as a pregnant and non-pregnant mother and about her marriage and about her parenting of her children. Palin herself just said so.
Some might see this as passive-aggressive mealymouthing; some are not open to the wisdom of Sullivan. Fortunately, he soon skipped past subtlety:

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These are all good points. With her very public pregnancy and labor and the birth of Trig Palin, however, we are in new territory. I don’t believe that the way a newborn was displayed at the convention - and the obvious political and religious symbolism of deciding to go ahead with a Down Syndrome pregnancy as proof of your pro-life credentials - is the usual, formal presentation of a candidate’s family. It intersects with an issue of public policy and the question of abortion rights which are, of course, central to the McCain-Palin campaign. Part of their political message is directed at the Christianist base on this very question. In fact, that is obviously one reason Palin was selected. I don’t think it’s fair to do all this, give Trig his own web-page on the state website - and then refuse to even answer the press’s questions about the whole experience. I mean: Palin and her obstetrician, despite talking freely to the press in the past, refused to return the New York Times’ phone calls in what most saw as a puff-piece last Monday. Why? Is the NYT not deferent enough?
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Some might call this straining logic past the breaking point — because a woman has a child, has been seen with said child, and has political views, her obstetrician needs to tell the world about the child’s exit from the womb. But again, very few of us work on the same mental wavelength as Sullivan.
I guess you would have to go and read, ad nauseum, about Sullivan's obsession with Palin and the details of her birth.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:01 AM
 
Location: Home, Home on the Front Range
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Interesting. I wonder if the OP realizes how strongly Mr. Sullivan is supporting the protesters in Iran, going so far as to print communications sent via Twitter since the beginning of the uprisings, posting pictures of the protesters daily, etc., a position I recall the OP shares as well.

The Daily Dish | By Andrew Sullivan


Oh, well, I guess agreeing with the President trumps any other position Mr. Sullivan may hold and so he must be summarily condemned.
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Old 06-24-2009, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Washington state
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http://newledger.com/2009/06/through...drew-sullivan/

Wonderful article chronicling Sullivan's descent into insanity.



Very well written.

You know studies have shown that homophobics are often trying to conceal their own homosexual desires.
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Old 06-24-2009, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Has nothing to do with his being gay.

But how would you know that since you don't read anything but left-wing rags.
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