Urban Mass Transit v. Automobiles (wages, ethical, health care, Rockefeller)

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by Greatday

We drive over 40,000 miles each year.

Necessity if the mother of invention.

I look forward to a substantial tax increase for you and your family when fuel taxes go up. I'll not face much of one.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

I look forward to a substantial tax increase for you and your family when fuel taxes go up. I'll not face much of one.

If such taxes go up - so be it. I would certainly not "move closer" to a congested city. Personally, I like the absolute quiet of our location.

Then again, you don't "get out" much - into the great outdoors - no boating, fishing, skiing (water and/or snow), hunting, camping, etc.

[Captain Worley]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

I drive about 3000 miles in a year. Choices have consequences. Individuals make choices, they should accept the consequences.

But they shouldn't have to accept artificial consequences like increased gas taxes. That's pretty much BS.

Originally Posted by rlchurch

I look forward to a substantial tax increase for you and your family when fuel taxes go up. I'll not face much of one.

That's the sort of elitist 'to heck with you' to those who don't live in cities that I've come to expect from those who do.

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by Greatday

If such taxes go up - so be it. I would certainly not "move closer" to a congested city. Personally, I like the absolute quiet of our location.

Then again, you don't "get out" much - into the great outdoors - no boating, fishing, skiing (water and/or snow), hunting, camping, etc.

Actually I boat a lot. It is just not necessary to use much fuel while boating. I'd guess my consumption is 20-30 gallons a season.

[rlchurch]

Originally Posted by Captain Worley

But they shouldn't have to accept artificial consequences like increased gas taxes. That's pretty much BS.

That's the sort of elitist 'to heck with you' to those who don't live in cities that I've come to expect from those who do.

Choices have consequences. People in cities are the reason you have motor vehicles to begin with.

[Hoarfrost]

Originally Posted by Captain Worley

That's the sort of elitist 'to heck with you' to those who don't live in cities that I've come to expect from those who do.

You make a choice to live far from cities and accept the drawbacks that come from being far from cities. Just as I make the choice to live in the city and accept its benefits and drawbacks. And when gas spikes or gas taxes are hiked, it hurts you, not me, because of our respective choices.

[Captain Worley]

Originally Posted by Hoarfrost

You make a choice to live far from cities and accept the drawbacks that come from being far from cities. Just as I make the choice to live in the city and accept its benefits and drawbacks. And when gas spikes or gas taxes are hiked, it hurts you, not me, because of our respective choices.

That''s true, and I agree with that. What I don't agree with is increased gas taxes to try and force people to move closer to cities. It won't work, and I expect it will make the furor against the gov even stronger than it is today.

Americans love their cars.

[Hoarfrost]

Originally Posted by Captain Worley

That''s true, and I agree with that. What I don't agree with is increased gas taxes to try and force people to move closer to cities. It won't work, and I expect it will make the furor against the gov even stronger than it is today.

Americans love their cars.

You live in a rural area, I presume? Rural areas are actually not the problem, in the big picture. The big problem is the outer ring suburbs and exurbs. They are the layouts that devour land and necessitate large scale automobile use.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by rlchurch

Actually I boat a lot. It is just not necessary to use much fuel while boating. I'd guess my consumption is 20-30 gallons a season.

We will use quite a bit of fuel - inasmuch as one of the lakes we frequent is some 90+ miles long - and we love to visit it all.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Hoarfrost

You make a choice to live far from cities and accept the drawbacks that come from being far from cities.

Speaking merely for myself - we don't know of any "drawbacks" in living far from the city