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Old 03-13-2009, 03:16 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Actually - I take the side of FREEDOM - Freedom to succeed or fail. The FREEDOM to make my own decisions rather than the government making them for me. The FREEDOM to go to the doctor or not. The FREEDOM to have life saving measures to prolong my life - rather than the government saying no.

The FREEDOM to live wherever I want. To have as big a home as I want and can afford - to have as many homes as I want and can afford. To MAKE as much money as I want.

The FREEDOM to help whomever I want to - or not to. The FREEDOM to educate my children HOW I WANT - not how the government dictates.

The FREEDOM to drive what I want - where I want.

Slowly but surely these, and many more FREEDOMS are being taken away. People like you and your ilk though don't recognize this. You are sheep.

In my State (Arizona), I am registered as "NPP" - No Party Preference.
You have the freedom to not go to the doctor if you don't want to. The difference is, there are too many people who don't have that freedom or choice to GO to the doctor because they can't afford it.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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Actually - I take the side of FREEDOM - Freedom to succeed or fail. The FREEDOM to make my own decisions rather than the government making them for me. The FREEDOM to go to the doctor or not. The FREEDOM to have life saving measures to prolong my life - rather than the government saying no.

The FREEDOM to live wherever I want. To have as big a home as I want and can afford - to have as many homes as I want and can afford. To MAKE as much money as I want.

The FREEDOM to help whomever I want to - or not to. The FREEDOM to educate my children HOW I WANT - not how the government dictates.

The FREEDOM to drive what I want - where I want.

Slowly but surely these, and many more FREEDOMS are being taken away. People like you and your ilk though don't recognize this. You are sheep.

In my State (Arizona), I am registered as "NPP" - No Party Preference.
in other words, Freedom no matter how many people you have to screw over

Back in the old confederate they were upset that the yankee northerners were imposing on their god given FREEDOM to own slaves

Republicans rely on FREEDOM as long as it is themselves who make the money and recieve the benefit from it

I suppose they are entitiled to this
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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The difference is, there are too many people who don't have that freedom or choice to GO to the doctor because they can't afford it.
Actually, this is the fallacy. EVERYONE can go to a doctor regardless of their ability to pay. EVERYONE.

And now, there are low cost clinics being set up around the country where a Doctors visit is as little as $30 - including exams, x-rays, perscriptions etc.

So, don't get caught up in this "they cannot go to the doctor" thing. It is simply not true.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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yea well the Republicans are dead

The way I see it healthcare needs to be completly changed, basically a system that is based on compassion and healing, not a system that is based on drugging and waiting till you get sick and then profiting

Our whole society really needs to change, and it will change in the future, but for now there are to many obstacles(like Insurance companies, lobbyists, lawyers)

The Democrats are a step in the right direction, the Republicans are a step in the wrong direction

Republicans are based on greed and profits, Democrats are based on greed with a little bit of compassion


and it is funny all you Republican sympathizers are now saying you are "independent" and dont support either party, yet you always seem to take the Republican side and bash the Democrats


You are the one who is bashing groups. We are bashing ideas that we feel are either not true or do not work.

"The system is rigged, republicans and rich are killing this country". Dem = right, repugs = wrong.

You fling your uninformed BS lockstep one liners very well but you ignore any question that asks you to give examples or explain.

You have proven you are ignorant of the facts and have a very large chip on your shoulder. As long as you keep it there and blame everyone else for your problems you will get nowhere. You are young, learn self responsibility or continue with a miserable angry life.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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Then I guess what you are saying is some are more qualified than others.
Are you daft? I'm speaking about a young person. It's hard to see how you can be more qualified than someone with an advanced degree if you're just graduating. Therefore your job options are quite limited right out of college. Therefore life is a great deal more difficult in that transitory period. And even if you have an advanced degree, there are still not enough jobs to be had for everyone. That said, you still aren't absolved from the responsibility of paying back college fees and other costs of living so high that even if you eschew luxuries, you still very well might not be able to do it.

Read and re-read, try to understand. If it starts to hurt, take a break and come back to it later.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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in other words, Freedom no matter how many people you have to screw over
How utterly ridiculous a post.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:24 PM
 
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How utterly ridiculous a post.
its the truth
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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and have a very large chip on your shoulder.


Chip? CHIP!

Heck - He/She/It has a whole friggin' TREE on he/she/its shoulder!
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Actually, this is the fallacy. EVERYONE can go to a doctor regardless of their ability to pay. EVERYONE.

And now, there are low cost clinics being set up around the country where a Doctors visit is as little as $30 - including exams, x-rays, perscriptions etc.

So, don't get caught up in this "they cannot go to the doctor" thing. It is simply not true.
Really? And how about if you have asthma & need to use Advair? Do you know how much it is a month if you don't have insurance? It's $200. I know this because I need to use Advair & if I didn't have insurance, that is how much it costs. What about if you find out you have testicular cancer & it spread to your bones? Do you know how much that bill is? It's $100,000. for a 2 week stay. I know this because I saw the bill of my friend, who ended up dying in the hospital. He didn't have insurance & you know, he probably would have killed himself if he had lived & seen the bill. Do you know how much an average office visit w/bloodwork is? $400. I know this because at one time I didn't have insurance & I was forced to go to the doctor & get bloodwork done before my insurance kicked in. Yes, I was forced to do it otherwise they would not refill my prescription that had run out. So please, shut it. You have no idea what you are talking about & it's obvious you really don't care to know. I'm done.
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Old 03-13-2009, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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its the truth
Quite the contrary.
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