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Hunters...as in subsistence families who depend on game to feed themselves. In other words it improves the human condition, just like "curing cancer? diabetes? paralysis? Alzheimers? MS?". Funny how, in the eyes of some, certain humans are more worthy than others, depending on which side of the political spectrum they are percieved to be on.
In terms of scientific achievement - which is more amazing, gunning down wolves or curing freaking cancer?
I guess Obama figured that most charities that would fund such research would suffer from his "tax increase", he would just let the government pay for research instead. I can't really say I support this or am against it, because I would like more info on it. My question is, are the embryos that are used from aborted babies or are they grown in the labs? If they are taken from aborted babies, I would have to agree with this practice since the aborted fetus would be discarded so why not use them for some benefit. OTOH if the embryos are created in a lab then I disagree, since it IMO is just murder.
I do think there should be a timetable placed on this research funding. If after say 5 or 10 years there have been no positive advances in the research then the government should stop funding.
As it stands right now, they use the extra embryos created from IVF. There are 400,000 such embryos right now.
Its so nice how Bush used Executive orders to federally ban something and now Obama overturned it. Geeez do we even need a congress or court system lets just let presidents write laws. Anyone even know what the constitution is anymore. I love how we are so "FREE" dont you.
Former first lady Nancy Reagan also issued a statement Monday thanking Obama for lifting the ban.
"These new rules will now make it possible for scientists to move forward," Reagan said. "Countless people, suffering from many different diseases, stand to benefit from the answers stem cell research can provide. We owe it to ourselves and to our children to do everything in our power to find cures for these diseases."
In terms of scientific achievement - which is more amazing, gunning down wolves or curing freaking cancer?
First, your strawman isn't valid. Your question really should be written: "which is more amazing, FEEDING HUNGRY PEOPLE or curing freaking cancer?"
Second, it's not up to you (or me) to judge, because both policies are the result of scientific determination. I support both for that reason. You however are obviously in a twist about one because it doesn't fit your political world view.
First, your strawman isn't valid. Your question really should be written: "which is more amazing, FEEDING HUNGRY PEOPLE or curing freaking cancer?"
Second, it's not up to you (or me) to judge, because both policies are the result of scientific determination. I support both for that reason. You however are obviously in a twist about one because it doesn't fit your political world view.
You prove my point.
The title of this thread is "A great day for science". I don't think figuring out less wolves=more caribou is a result of deep scientific determination.
So basically they are using embryos that would be destroyed sooner or later anyway right?
Yes, or that would sit in limbo. From what I have read, women are given the choice to donate their extra embryos, that can then be used for this type of research.
I'm not sure if they can use aborted embryos for this purpose, I haven't read anything about that.
The U.S. has taken a second seat to Australia, Britain, France, China and India by limiting funding of embryonic stem cell research and basically promoting ideology over sciece.
This measure is believed to help scientists understand the causes of many diseases and injuries. Plus, it also removed the many beauracracies the Bush administration has placed; preventing the free exchange of scientific ideas.
Regarding embyros, this does not allow for funds to be used to conduct research on embryos directly. A majority of the embryos used in embryonic stem cell research are donated. Otherwise, they are discarded by feritility clinics. Really, for anyone to bring up morality issues, needs to get off this board and help out the millions of sick and ailing people in our own country.
And if it provides aid and cures to people with these diseases...it saves EVERYONE money!
From what I've read, all successes with stem cells has been with adult stem cells, not embryonic.
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