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Old 03-11-2009, 07:28 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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Does a person who wants to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm go through any kind of psychological or behavioral evaluation?
Does a person who wants to speak freely in public go through any kind of psychological or behavioral evaluation?

The mere fact that in 46 of the 50 states, a person must be issued a permit to exercise a Constitutional right (2 states restrict that right completely and don't permit CCW at all) demonstrates that we, as gun owners, have already given in enough on this.

Let's change the rules so that you have to be evaluated and issued a permit to have a jury trial. Or how about getting a warrantless search exemption - after passing the background check, of course. If you'd like to practice your chosen religion, you must first register your choice with the government, demonstrate that you have the requisite knowledge to be able to practice that religion effectively and efficiently and, of course, pay an outrageous annual fee.

Why is it that so many screech and crow about censorship, separation of church and state (which isn't even in the Constitution, btw), Bush's warrantless wiretaps, etc., but when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, those same people are willing - and advocate - just throwing it out the window. It's just a bit hypocritical...
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:33 AM
 
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and a school still gets lit up with 10 dead.

15 dead after teen shooting rampage at German school - CNN.com
What do the superheroes of the liberals have to do with this?
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:52 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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With the amount of background checking that goes into a concealed carry, that's much more unlikely. No history of mental illness may be observed is my understanding.
Thanks. That makes sense, and is reassuring.

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Duly noted. But if the results are not statistically significant with, say, p < .001, I would argue that it's a moot point as the data would be dismissed by statisticians as either noisy or insufficient.
I suspect you're right.
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Old 03-11-2009, 07:53 AM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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Sometimes I think it's easier to become a Senator than to get a gun.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Florida
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And when the person with "concealed carry and the training to use it" is also a nut? Does a person who wants to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm go through any kind of psychological or behavioral evaluation?
They go through FBI background checks, which might include past mental illness chacks. Conceled weapons class it very basic and does not really train anyone to do anything. The purpose is to educate the students of the law. After the class most students choose not to carry because they are not willing to deal with the responsibility, and the very real chance of ending up behind bars because they thought they were doing the right thing, but the law says otherwise.

When I took the class, the trainer asked the class this question: "What would you do it you were carrying your firearm and withnessed a robbery at 7-11"?

Someone said "take him out", and someone else said "arrest him".

The trainer said "WRONG ANSWER. You call the police".

Why? Conceled weapons permit does not make you a police officer, or the defender of the public.

It is ridicuous to think that we should arm highschool kids with guns and hope they would use the guns to prevent violent crime in US.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:38 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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It is ridicuous to think that we should arm highschool kids with guns and hope they would use the guns to prevent violent crime in US.
Teachers and administrators should have the right to carry though.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Central Maine
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Sometimes I think it's easier to become a Senator than to get a gun.
Now that is a scary thought!
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:42 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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And when the person with "concealed carry and the training to use it" is also a nut? Does a person who wants to get a permit to carry a concealed firearm go through any kind of psychological or behavioral evaluation?


I was just asking what the gun laws are like in Alabama. It would be interesting to compare the number and severity of incidents like those in Germany and Alabama, and see if there's any correlation with gun laws.
There'd be another armed person to stop them. But it's unlikely the person would be a nut in the first place. Millions of Americans own guns and carry them...without ever harming anyone. And furthermore, a crazy killer will carry his weapons and kill people regardless of a law against carrying weapons.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:43 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Now that is a scary thought!
Yeah, and senators can carry guns, including in DC and in some government buildings where citizens can't.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:52 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Teachers and administrators should have the right to carry though.
Sure. That would make sense.
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