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Old 03-12-2009, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Malamute..we're all on the hook to pay back the bailouts and stimulus money. But after 2 years each state that took the unemployment money has to fund it themselves.

Unemployment for part time workers..just think of that. Biggest loophole that can get milked.
Get a part time job here and there; get layed off and collect unemployment. Think of all the high schoolers, college students and stay-at-home-moms that could go get a part time job and be eligible for unemployment.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:57 PM
 
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Unemployment for part time workers..just think of that. Biggest loophole that can get milked.
Get a part time job here and there; get layed off and collect unemployment. Think of all the high schoolers, college students and stay-at-home-moms that could go get a part time job and be eligible for unemployment.
It doesn't work that way. Students are normally not eligible. As far as a stay at home mom getting a part time job, she'd still have to pay into unemployment for quite a while before she would be eligible to receive it, and if and when she did, it wouldn't be much.

The part time "loophole", as you call it, is there primarily to assist those who were working full time and then got their hours cut.
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Old 03-12-2009, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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It doesn't work that way. Students are normally not eligible. As far as a stay at home mom getting a part time job, she'd still have to pay into unemployment for quite a while before she would be eligible to receive it, and if and when she did, it wouldn't be much.

The part time "loophole", as you call it, is there primarily to assist those who were working full time and then got their hours cut.
No, it's an expanded unemployment rule for states to include part-time workers.
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: New York, New York
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No, it's an expanded unemployment rule for states to include part-time workers.
There is a lot of disinformation out there about the stimulus. I would go and read the section for yourself. You might be surprized to find out that these Governors are merely playing politics. You will find that many of the republican claims are not waranted.
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:08 AM
 
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No, it's an expanded unemployment rule for states to include part-time workers.
How does it pertain to students?
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:20 AM
 
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It doesn't work that way. Students are normally not eligible. As far as a stay at home mom getting a part time job, she'd still have to pay into unemployment for quite a while before she would be eligible to receive it, and if and when she did, it wouldn't be much.

The part time "loophole", as you call it, is there primarily to assist those who were working full time and then got their hours cut.
There's nothing there about full time to part time work..it's a permanent extention to include part time workers now and even give them extra money per dependent ($15/week). It also redefines eligibility.

Read Sec. 2003. Special Transfers for Unemployment Compensation Modernization.

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Old 03-13-2009, 12:25 AM
 
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There is a lot of disinformation out there about the stimulus. I would go and read the section for yourself. You might be surprized to find out that these Governors are merely playing politics. You will find that many of the republican claims are not waranted.
I just posted a link to the bill and the section for unemployment expansion.
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:28 AM
 
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"Texas Gov. Rick Perry on Thursday rejected $555 million in federal stimulus money that would expand state unemployment benefits, saying the money would have required the state to keep funding the expanded benefits after the stimulus money ran out.

Perry, an outspoken critic of President Barack Obama's $787 billion stimulus bill, did accept most of the roughly $17 billion slated for Texas in the plan."

From the link. That seems to be the case in a lot of "red" states that don't have much of a safety net.

It is really the case that many blue states don't have a choice as they are quickly running out of money because unemployment is so higher in many . Texas has a surplus in budget and fairly low unemployemnt in comparison. If a state does not take the money then businesses will not see a big increase in their part which will reduce the cost of doing business in that state.Its all about advantages and disadvantages really. If you don't need it ;why make your state a place of higher cost to locate new business.There is always a catch 22 when you take federal money ask any local government offical .
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:35 AM
 
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I just posted a link to the bill and the section for unemployment expansion.
I don't know what it's like in Texas now, but I do know that here, so many jobs have been lost that the unemployment office cannot even handle the calls and the traffic. It's a mess. I've heard that even the temp. agencies have lines going down the block. I certainly don't know what the answer is, but I do know that this started to happen quite some time before Jan. 20th.

I guess it's easy when you have a job to think that other people should get one as well. In some parts of the country, things are so bad that there are literally no jobs though.
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Old 03-13-2009, 12:44 AM
 
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SEC. 2003. SPECIAL TRANSFERS FOR UNEMPLOYMENT COMPENSATION MODERNIZATION.

  • (a) In General- Section 903 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1103) is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Special Transfers in Fiscal Years 2009, 2010, and 2011 for Modernization


  • `(f)(1)(A) In addition to any other amounts, the Secretary of Labor shall provide for the making of unemployment compensation modernization incentive payments (hereinafter `incentive payments') to the accounts of the States in the Unemployment Trust Fund, by transfer from amounts reserved for that purpose in the Federal unemployment account, in accordance with succeeding provisions of this subsection.
  • `(B) The maximum incentive payment allowable under this subsection with respect to any State shall, as determined by the Secretary of Labor, be equal to the amount obtained by multiplying $7,000,000,000 by the same ratio as would apply under subsection (a)(2)(B) for purposes of determining such State's share of any excess amount (as described in subsection (a)(1)) that would have been subject to transfer to State accounts, as of October 1, 2008, under the provisions of subsection (a).
  • `(C) Of the maximum incentive payment determined under subparagraph (B) with respect to a State--
    • `(i) one-third shall be transferred to the account of such State upon a certification under paragraph (4)(B) that the State law of such State meets the requirements of paragraph (2); and
    • `(ii) the remainder shall be transferred to the account of such State upon a certification under paragraph (4)(B) that the State law of such State meets the requirements of paragraph (3).
  • `(2) The State law of a State meets the requirements of this paragraph if such State law--
    • `(A) uses a base period that includes the most recently completed calendar quarter before the start of the benefit year for purposes of determining eligibility for unemployment compensation; or
    • `(B) provides that, in the case of an individual who would not otherwise be eligible for unemployment compensation under the State law because of the use of a base period that does not include the most recently completed calendar quarter before the start of the benefit year, eligibility shall be determined using a base period that includes such calendar quarter.
  • `(3) The State law of a State meets the requirements of this paragraph if such State law includes provisions to carry out at least 2 of the following subparagraphs:
    • `(A) An individual shall not be denied regular unemployment compensation under any State law provisions relating to availability for work, active search for work, or refusal to accept work, solely because such individual is seeking only part-time work (as defined by the Secretary of Labor), except that the State law provisions carrying out this subparagraph may exclude an individual if a majority of the weeks of work in such individual's base period do not include part-time work (as so defined).
    • `(B) An individual shall not be disqualified from regular unemployment compensation for separating from employment if that separation is for any compelling family reason. For purposes of this subparagraph, the term `compelling family reason' means the following:
      • `(i) Domestic violence, verified by such reasonable and confidential documentation as the State law may require, which causes the individual reasonably to believe that such individual's continued employment would jeopardize the safety of the individual or of any member of the individual's immediate family (as defined by the Secretary of Labor).
      • `(ii) The illness or disability of a member of the individual's immediate family (as those terms are defined by the Secretary of Labor).
      • `(iii) The need for the individual to accompany such individual's spouse--
        • `(I) to a place from which it is impractical for such individual to commute; and
        • `(II) due to a change in location of the spouse's employment.
    • `(C)(i) Weekly unemployment compensation is payable under this subparagraph to any individual who is unemployed (as determined under the State unemployment compensation law), has exhausted all rights to regular unemployment compensation under the State law, and is enrolled and making satisfactory progress in a State-approved training program or in a job training program authorized under the Workforce Investment Act of 1998, except that such compensation is not required to be paid to an individual who is receiving similar stipends or other training allowances for non-training costs.
    • `(ii) Each State-approved training program or job training program referred to in clause (i) shall prepare individuals who have been separated from a declining occupation, or who have been involuntarily and indefinitely separated from employment as a result of a permanent reduction of operations at the individual's place of employment, for entry into a high-demand occupation.
    • `(iii) The amount of unemployment compensation payable under this subparagraph to an individual for a week of unemployment shall be equal to--
      • `(I) the individual's average weekly benefit amount (including dependents' allowances) for the most recent benefit year, less
      • `(II) any deductible income, as determined under State law.
    • The total amount of unemployment compensation payable under this subparagraph to any individual shall be equal to at least 26 times the individual's average weekly benefit amount (including dependents' allowances) for the most recent benefit year.
    • `(D) Dependents' allowances are provided, in the case of any individual who is entitled to receive regular unemployment compensation and who has any dependents (as defined by State law), in an amount equal to at least $15 per dependent per week, subject to any aggregate limitation on such allowances which the State law may establish (but which aggregate limitation on the total allowance for dependents paid to an individual may not be less than $50 for each week of unemployment or 50 percent of the individual's weekly benefit amount for the benefit year, whichever is less), except that a State law may provide for a reasonable reduction in the amount of any such allowance for a week of less than total unemployment.
  • `(4)(A) Any State seeking an incentive payment under this subsection shall submit an application therefor at such time, in such manner, and complete with such information as the Secretary of Labor may within 60 days after the date of the enactment of this subsection prescribe (whether by regulation or otherwise), including information relating to compliance with the requirements of paragraph (2) or (3), as well as how the State intends to use the incentive payment to improve or strengthen the State's unemployment compensation program. The Secretary of Labor shall, within 30 days after receiving a complete application, notify the State agency of the State of the Secretary's findings with respect to the requirements of paragraph (2) or (3) (or both).
  • `(B)(i) If the Secretary of Labor finds that the State law provisions (disregarding any State law provisions which are not then currently in effect as permanent law or which are subject to discontinuation) meet the requirements of paragraph (2) or (3), as the case may be, the Secretary of Labor shall thereupon make a certification to that effect to the Secretary of the Treasury, together with a certification as to the amount of the incentive payment to be transferred to the State account pursuant to that finding. The Secretary of the Treasury shall make the appropriate transfer within 7 days after receiving such certification.
  • `(ii) For purposes of clause (i), State law provisions which are to take effect within 12 months after the date of their certification under this subparagraph shall be considered to be in effect as of the date of such certification.
  • `(C)(i) No certification of compliance with the requirements of paragraph (2) or (3) may be made with respect to any State whose State law is not otherwise eligible for certification under section 303 or approvable under section 3304 of the Federal Unemployment Tax Act.
  • `(ii) No certification of compliance with the requirements of paragraph (3) may be made with respect to any State whose State law is not in compliance with the requirements of paragraph (2).
  • `(iii) No application under subparagraph (A) may be considered if submitted before the date of the enactment of this subsection or after the latest date necessary (as specified by the Secretary of Labor) to ensure that all incentive payments under this subsection are made before October 1, 2011.
  • `(5)(A) Except as provided in subparagraph (B), any amount transferred to the account of a State under this subsection may be used by such State only in the payment of cash benefits to individuals with respect to their unemployment (including for dependents' allowances and for unemployment compensation under paragraph (3)(C)), exclusive of expenses of administration.
  • `(B) A State may, subject to the same conditions as set forth in subsection (c)(2) (excluding subparagraph (B) thereof, and deeming the reference to `subsections (a) and (b)' in subparagraph (D) thereof to include this subsection), use any amount transferred to the account of such State under this subsection for the administration of its unemployment compensation law and public employment offices.
  • `(6) Out of any money in the Federal unemployment account not otherwise appropriated, the Secretary of the Treasury shall reserve $7,000,000,000 for incentive payments under this subsection. Any amount so reserved shall not be taken into account for purposes of any determination under section 902, 910, or 1203 of the amount in the Federal unemployment account as of any given time. Any amount so reserved for which the Secretary of the Treasury has not received a certification under paragraph (4)(B) by the deadline described in paragraph (4)(C)(iii) shall, upon the close of fiscal year 2011, become unrestricted as to use as part of the Federal unemployment account.
  • `(7) For purposes of this subsection, the terms `benefit year', `base period', and `week' have the respective meanings given such terms under section 205 of the Federal-State Extended Unemployment Compensation Act of 1970 (26 U.S.C. 3304 note).
`Special Transfer in Fiscal Year 2009 for Administration


  • `(g)(1) In addition to any other amounts, the Secretary of the Treasury shall transfer from the employment security administration account to the account of each State in the Unemployment Trust Fund, within 30 days after the date of the enactment of this subsection, the amount determined with respect to such State under paragraph (2).
  • `(2) The amount to be transferred under this subsection to a State account shall (as determined by the Secretary of Labor and certified by such Secretary to the Secretary of the Treasury) be equal to the amount obtained by multiplying $500,000,000 by the same ratio as determined under subsection (f)(1)(B) with respect to such State.
  • `(3) Any amount transferred to the account of a State as a result of the enactment of this subsection may be used by the State agency of such State only in the payment of expenses incurred by it for--
    • `(A) the administration of the provisions of its State law carrying out the purposes of subsection (f)(2) or any subparagraph of subsection (f)(3);
    • `(B) improved outreach to individuals who might be eligible for regular unemployment compensation by virtue of any provisions of the State law which are described in subparagraph (A);
    • `(C) the improvement of unemployment benefit and unemployment tax operations, including responding to increased demand for unemployment compensation; and
    • `(D) staff-assisted reemployment services for unemployment compensation claimants.'.
  • (b) Regulations- The Secretary of Labor may prescribe any regulations, operating instructions, or other guidance necessary to carry out the amendment made by subsection (a).

I guess maybe its me but I don't understand what their problem is.
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