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Old 03-15-2009, 08:52 AM
 
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Whatever. Russia is still paint over rust.

They know it. We know it.
Yes, I suspect this is still the case. While Russia has certainly made a huge come back from its collapse, it is still a long way from its former glory.

Even still, don't kid yourself, even paint and rust is cause enough to send the US into a defense spending frenzy. I mean there has to be at least one boogyman at all times in the world, either real or imagined and I think the military response to terrorism is waning thin. So it is as much a matter of convenience that we once again roll out the reds.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:59 AM
 
Location: San Salvador, El Salvador
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Awesome; now we can finally attack Cuba and put in the government we want.... Thank you for giving us the excuse we needed to back out of our deal.. Castro's Little Brother.
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Old 03-15-2009, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Fly-over country.
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Yes, I suspect this is still the case. While Russia has certainly made a huge come back from its collapse, it is still a long way from its former glory.

Even still, don't kid yourself, even paint and rust is cause enough to send the US into a defense spending frenzy. I mean there has to be at least one boogyman at all times in the world, either real or imagined and I think the military response to terrorism is waning thin. So it is as much a matter of convenience that we once again roll out the reds.
Yes. Anything to make anyone a victim or scared is popular with political leaders. That's why we have to pretty-much tune out and think for ourselves. Both sides are guilty. The left plays to domestic and international victimization (foreclosures, global warming, the Bosnia mess, etc). The right plays mostly to outside threats (China, Russia, Iran, etc.)

Only a change in the culture of fear can stop this.
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:22 AM
 
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hush now...
Obama will have a dialogue with them and all will be fine.


ok...shhhhhh
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Old 03-15-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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Do you realize that if Russia had reacted about the U.S. missiles places in Eastern European countries as we reacted about the ones in Cuba...World War III would have happened years ago!

If you notice that your neighboors are buying gans...are you going to automatically assume that they are after YOU? ....unless you have done them evil in the past...
Yes, somehow we have the notion that we can surround any country of our own choosing with nuclear missles, and cruise our destoyers off of their shores, but when they do the same, it's WAR.
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn
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Maybe this is just a case of history repeating itself--Nikita Khruschev put missiles in Cuba to test our new President Kennedy. Would you put it past Putin to do precisely the same thing as a way of testing President Obama? (And for the record, I think that Obama has more confidence than Kennedy did early in his administration).
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:45 PM
 
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Maybe this is just a case of history repeating itself--Nikita Khruschev put missiles in Cuba to test our new President Kennedy. Would you put it past Putin to do precisely the same thing as a way of testing President Obama? (And for the record, I think that Obama has more confidence than Kennedy did early in his administration).
Well Obama didn't hesitate to lob a few missiles into Pakistan at a moments notice. With Gates around, I suspect it will still lift an eyebrow in Moscow.
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Old 03-15-2009, 05:49 PM
 
Location: Near Manito
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we have the notion that we can surround any country of our own choosing with nuclear missles, and cruise our destoyers off of their shores, but when they do the same, it's WAR.
That is correct.

You are finally starting to learn something about life in a world filled with animals: namely, rule one: don't let them eat you.
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Old 03-15-2009, 08:13 PM
 
Location: FL/TX Coasts
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That is correct.

You are finally starting to learn something about life in a world filled with animals: namely, rule one: don't let them eat you.
...are you an animal?
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Old 03-15-2009, 09:14 PM
 
Location: toronto, Canada
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A New York Times article from Saturday.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/wo...l?ref=americas

Quite possibly the one of the most most important statements from the Kremlin that has gone unreported.
"The myth about the unipolar world fell apart once and for all in Iraq. A strong, more self-confident Russia has become an integral part of positive changes in the world."
Putin and his advisers are aware that the U.S. has overextended its ability to convey power around the globe. This is the main reason why the CIA supports pulling troops out of Iraq, while the Pentagon, which suffers from self grandiose delusions of superiority want to retain higher troop commitments.
China and Russia would like to see America tied down in Afghanistan, while they establish bases and trading connections with important strategic nations such as Sudan, and Venezuela.
Tragically, the American educational system has stopped teaching important subjects such as logic, economics and geography in exchange for social studies, and diversity awareness fluff.
Chinese and Russian schools understand the importance of geopolitical theory and are quietly outmaneuvering the U.S.A in this great game.
Slowly and surely, many strategic nations are signing trade and resource agreements with China and Russia that will put America at a competitive disadvantage.
This is the geopolitical reason why China and Russia want Don QuixObama to continue tilting at windmills such as Afghanistan or Iran if necessary.
There is no point to controlling the heart of the heartland theory when the fiddles play and the empire smolders. China knows that by buying American treasuries, the U.S. will continue to spend itself into the poorhouse. They consider this as a investment in future earnings when the yuan and the Euro replaces the American dollar as the world's currencies of international trade.
They are betting that the average American won't understand this strategy until it's too late.

I put my money into Peter Schiff because he gets it, and has created his main foreign investment strategy based on this scenario.
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