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Old 03-18-2009, 07:18 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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I am a Conservative and I dislike Palin immensely. There are many Conservatives who are fed up with the religion and abortion talk of the Republican party and leaning more Libertarian. I am far from being a "Conservative" idiot who will stand up for Bush and say that the crisis is all Obama's fault. Or those puppets who will stand up for corporations, no matter how screwed up they can be. Both extremes of the spectrum(Far Right and Far Left) are incredibly flawed and neither represent my views.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:25 AM
 
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I am a Conservative and I dislike Palin immensely. There are many Conservatives who are fed up with the religion and abortion talk of the Republican party and leaning more Libertarian. I am far from being a "Conservative" idiot who will stand up for Bush and say that the crisis is all Obama's fault. Or those puppets who will stand up for corporations, no matter how screwed up they can be. Both extremes of the spectrum(Far Right and Far Left) are incredibly flawed and neither represent my views.
If true, you are a grand minority in your party and ill reperesented in Congress.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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I am a Conservative and I dislike Palin immensely. There are many Conservatives who are fed up with the religion and abortion talk of the Republican party and leaning more Libertarian. I am far from being a "Conservative" idiot who will stand up for Bush and say that the crisis is all Obama's fault. Or those puppets who will stand up for corporations, no matter how screwed up they can be. Both extremes of the spectrum(Far Right and Far Left) are incredibly flawed and neither represent my views.
I'm with you. George Bush used the smokescreen of "conservative" social issues to gain the support of all the people obsessed with religious and abortion issues, while on the other hand shoving corporate-government collusion (AKA, fascism) down out throats. The Libertarian party is about the only reasonable voice out there, IMO.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:36 AM
 
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Republicans Love Big Government

Sometimes. True in the case of Bush II as well as Richard Nixon. And Bill Clinton loved the free market and Wall Street, bombed several countries, and instituted welfare reform.

The moral: A crafty politician succeeds by stealing the other side's ideas. See Tony Blair for an example from abroad.

Now with our current President, we have a new model. Never totally disagree or agree with anything.
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Old 03-18-2009, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Iowa, Heartland of Murica
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If true, you are a grand minority in your party and ill reperesented in Congress.
Palin's type of anti-intellectual approach is a major turnoff for me. It makes Conservatives look bad because people like you who do not know much about Conservativism will think that all of us are very religious and anti-science. I happen to dislike religion immensely yet I know that religion was a fundamental part of the creation of this country. As much as I dislike religion, I hate the godless, anything goes Liberal ways even more especially when they try so hard to brainwash kids to live in this utopic BS world where everybody is "equal" the "Heather has 2 Mommies" type of BS and everything is "racism".
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:07 AM
 
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Reps like big government, but democrats like reps government x 2. I haven't yet notice a reversal in growth for government?
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:13 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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"After the past eight years in American politics, it is impossible to reconcile current promises by conservatives for small government with the historical record of President Bush's administration. Most experts on the left and right can find one issue upon which to agree: The federal government expanded significantly after 2001 when George W. Bush was in the White House.

Federal spending stood at about $1.9 trillion in 2000, when Democrat Bill Clinton ended his presidency. In his final year in office, Bush proposed to spend $3.1 trillion for fiscal year 2009. President Obama's budget proposal for fiscal 2010 is $3.6 trillion.

Nor can Republicans blame a Democratic Congress for being responsible for these trends. Much of the expansion took place between 2002 and 2006, when Republicans controlled both Congress and the White House."

Commentary: GOP's "small government" talk is hollow - CNN.com

This pretty much sums up the republican hypocritical nature. Thus, I'm sure the wingnuts will ignore this and create their own reality.
It's been clear since the time of Reagan that Republicans love, love, love big government. They just want to use it for their own pet projects.
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:25 AM
 
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Debt held by the public ..............................................
5,803 -2008
8,364 -2009
9,509 -2010
10,436 -2011
10,985 -2012
11,505 -2013
12,070 -2014
12,659 -2015
13,297 -2016
13,932 -2017
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15,370 -2019

Change (http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Summary_Tables2.pdf - broken link) you can believe in.
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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republican != conservative.

Did you not get that memo?
:d
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Old 03-18-2009, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Democratic Peoples Republic of Redneckistan
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I'm with you. George Bush used the smokescreen of "conservative" social issues to gain the support of all the people obsessed with religious and abortion issues, while on the other hand shoving corporate-government collusion (AKA, fascism) down out throats. The Libertarian party is about the only reasonable voice out there, IMO.
You are correct IMO...ROVE used it to get Bush in...Bush is to stupid to win the Mayorship of a McDonalds playland on his own while running against Mayor McCheese.
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