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Old 03-18-2009, 10:04 AM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
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Amazes me that folk come here looking for explanations for subjects such as neocons, and what do they get? Hardly anything but attitudes, derisions, demeanings by anyone who doesn't favor the neocon political agenda. Of course, we all know who we are, and continue on.

Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:13 AM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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I see the term being thrown around all the time, ususally in a derisive way. Can someone (especially those that use it all the time) explain just what it means?

And please, don't say "GWB" or "someone that voted for GWB", that's not an answer.
answer your own question by googling it, or type it in your search browser bar. why ask anyone here? if you want the true meaning?
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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It's a liberal who has joined the Republican party.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:18 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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It's a liberal who has joined the Republican party.
Pretty much...again this is why the leftists hate them.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:24 AM
 
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Neo means new, con means to swindle by first winning the confidence.

So I'd say neocon refers to the Obama administration.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:40 AM
 
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I see a few of the usual suspects are here showing everyone their lack of education again. Some nice intelligent answers here, too bad they've been muddled by some pretty stupid comments.

I never gave too much thought to the actual meaning of the term, and there was much more to it than I thought. It turns out this was a really good question. Thanks to those who posted real answers.
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Old 03-18-2009, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Del Rio, TN
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answer your own question by googling it, or type it in your search browser bar. why ask anyone here? if you want the true meaning?
Well, the info I've found in Wiki isn't real clear, and doesn't seem to follow how the term is commonly used on this site. It seems to define NC as socially liberal (espoising a welfare state and government intervention in business to promote social causes), and interventionist in foreign policy.

What I infer from the context of how I see Neocon used here would include:
-removal of the welfare state
-strong ties to the christian religion, including more involvement of religion in state policies and functions
-low level government intervention in business
-primary focus on promiting US interests and values in foreign involvement, including military force.
(EG, my interpretation from context isn't much different from yours)

The closest thing I can find to a definition seems to be far different. It makes one look ignorant and uninformed to throw terms around when they have no idea what they mean...I'm looking for an education before I end up doing the same thing.

From wiki:
The term neoconservative, first coined at least as early as 1921, was used at one time as a criticism against liberals who had "moved to the right".[2][3] Michael Harrington, a democratic socialist, coined the current sense of the term neoconservative in a 1973 Dissent magazine article concerning welfare policy.[4] According to E. J. Dionne, the nascent neoconservatives were driven by "the notion that liberalism" had failed and "no longer knew what it was talking about."[5]

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Old 03-18-2009, 10:51 AM
 
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Neo means new, con means to swindle by first winning the confidence.

So I'd say neocon refers to the Obama administration.
nice try but no dice! Go read PNAC and you will see the IRAQ invasion was pre meditated prior to 9/11.
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Old 03-18-2009, 11:00 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Toyman at Jewel Lake View Post
I see the term being thrown around all the time, ususally in a derisive way. Can someone (especially those that use it all the time) explain just what it means?

And please, don't say "GWB" or "someone that voted for GWB", that's not an answer.
Truth be known, there isn't a single definition for what a Neoconservative is anymore than asking, "What's a Democrat/Republican" as they come in many subtle flavors within their own general group.

I did notice though that there was little mention of Leo Strauss and the Straussian school of Neoconservatism which I believe is more philosophical than methodological. I would point most specifically towards Leo Strauss's embrace of Plato's views that democracy is flawed and that he believed that only the intellectual elite should govern a state as the citizenry lacked the education to rule themselves.
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Old 03-18-2009, 01:29 PM
 
Location: T or C New Mexico
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So, what is a 'neocon'? - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review

US News / Special: Empire Builders / Neocon 101 | Christian Science Monitor (http://www.csmonitor.com/specials/neocon/neocon101.html - broken link)

Are You a Neocon?

neo-neocon

Neoconservative / Neocons (http://zfacts.com/p/253.html - broken link)

and, finally, I would not put too much into wiki, it's hardly ever accurate.
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