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We have "managed" forests around where I live, that look exactly like clear-cuts. We have nothing but lip service for saving declining salmon populations. And on & on. So sorry if I don't believe these people.
Thats relevant how? Are you saying your salmon are over fished or is it something else? How much money or time have you spent working to change it?
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Yes, because I'm a student of history, which is replete with examples of species being decimated for profit.
A very poor student you must be if you havent noticed that regulated sport hunting & increased game numbers go together.
I'm quite aware of the animals in the past that were hunted to extinction. This is entirely different & you know it. This just bothers you, so dont look, it concerns you not.
Rest assured that millions and millions of people share my belief that the polar bears should be saved at almost all costs including relocating or imprisoning the Inuit.
and billions more either dont give a damn, or do not feel the way you do. want to save something? then go out and help save humans before saving an animal.
Wow, relocate or actually imprison the Inuit? Ummm, good luck with that. Thats a really extreme position. I find that hard to fathom. I'm thinkin' the Inuit might just have an issue with that, as would most people with a lick of common sense. The local tribes around here shoot eagles and other raptors for cerimonial feathers and such, I think thats pretty messed up, but I'm not willing to go to war over it. The law says they have a right to do what they will on the reservations. I reckon if you can't handle what goes on on tribal lands, you don't have to hang out there.
OK fellow hunters, what caliber and rifle would you choose to hunt polar bears? I have a 7WSM, I'm a fan of the caliber, but not for dangerous game. I'm thinking .375 H&H or .375 Ultra Mag, loaded with Barnes Tripple Shocks. Synthetic stock for the environment. What optics for the conditions? Has to be rock solid reliable, not freeze or fog up. Would you go open sights like so many dangerous game rifles, or scoped? As to action, bolt or double rifle?
Wow, relocate or actually imprison the Inuit? Ummm, good luck with that. Thats a really extreme position. I find that hard to fathom. I'm thinkin' the Inuit might just have an issue with that, as would most people with a lick of common sense. The local tribes around here shoot eagles and other raptors for cerimonial feathers and such, I think thats pretty messed up, but I'm not willing to go to war over it. The law says they have a right to do what they will on the reservations. I reckon if you can't handle what goes on on tribal lands, you don't have to hang out there.
Very well put.
I'm no proponent of the polar bear or whale hunts myself, but people like Heiwos hurt their own causes more than they help them.
I'd like to see some data that shows how millions of people support forcibly relocating the Inuit tribes....
OK fellow hunters, what caliber and rifle would you choose to hunt polar bears? I have a 7WSM, I'm a fan of the caliber, but not for dangerous game. I'm thinking .375 H&H or .375 Ultra Mag, loaded with Barnes Tripple Shocks. Synthetic stock for the environment. What optics for the conditions? Has to be rock solid reliable, not freeze or fog up. Would you go open sights like so many dangerous game rifles, or scoped? As to action, bolt or double rifle?
My choice might seem a bit offbeat, but I would go with the Marlin 95 in 45-70. If I was going to do a dangerous predator hunt I would feel like I needed to get up close and personal. The old 45-70 has a lot of hard hitting power as well. When we tracked down that old calf killing cat back in the day, none of us were armed that heavy really. One guy had a .22 magnum, I was packing my 94 Marlin in .45 Colt and the third guy (my Indian buddy) had a 12 guage 870 Remington loaded with #4 Federal Premiums. It was the latter that brought the kitty down, and at very close range. Since Polar Bear would be hunted in open country I figger the 45-70 would do just fine with the right load and a shot inside a hundred yards. If conditions were such that I had to pick something with optics and a longer range bottleneck cartrige I guess I'd go with the 300 or 375 H&H in a Model 70 Winchester or or Maybe a Remington 700 long action.
My choice might seem a bit offbeat, but I would go with the Marlin 95 in 45-70. If I was going to do a dangerous predator hunt I would feel like I needed to get up close and personal. The old 45-70 has a lot of hard hitting power as well. When we tracked down that old calf killing cat back in the day, none of us were armed that heavy really. One guy had a .22 magnum, I was packing my 94 Marlin in .45 Colt and the third guy (my Indian buddy) had a 12 guage 870 Remington loaded with #4 Federal Premiums. It was the latter that brought the kitty down, and at very close range. Since Polar Bear would be hunted in open country I figger the 45-70 would do just fine with the right load and a shot inside a hundred yards. If conditions were such that I had to pick something with optics and a longer range bottleneck cartrige I guess I'd go with the 300 or 375 H&H in a Model 70 Winchester or or Maybe a Remington 700 long action.
No arguing the effectiveness of the .45-70 at close range. Given the speed that a bear can run, I'd just as soon have something with a little flatter trajectory...a touch of standoff distance would make me feel better! My buddy hunted mountain lion in his younger years, lost a couple of dogs when he couldn't get to the hounds in time. He packed a .44 mag. I give your buddy credit hauling the 12ga around after a cat. I hate to admit that I'm not in shape for that sport...elk are all I can manage.
Glad to see you mentioned the M70 before the 700-my pick as well.
Wow, relocate or actually imprison the Inuit? Ummm, good luck with that. Thats a really extreme position.
I'm talking about the extreme case when nothing else has saved the polar bear from imminent extinction. Some people in the Makah tribe (WA state) killed a whale, against the law. They were given a slap on the wrist from the tribe but if they do it again they'll likely go to jail outside the tribe. Yes millions of people think humans over other animals always, but millions of others disagree.
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I reckon if you can't handle what goes on on tribal lands, you don't have to hang out there.
Total conservative B.S. What they do can affect us all, so we (or Canadians) will regulate them however we want, and do.
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. Since Polar Bear would be hunted in open country I figger the 45-70 would do just fine with the right load and a shot inside a hundred yards. If conditions were such that I had to pick something with optics and a longer range bottleneck cartrige I guess I'd go with the 300 or 375 H&H in a Model 70 Winchester or or Maybe a Remington 700 long action.
