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60% of the french are happy with their healthcare. Britain has a similar tax structure. I never researched Canada's.
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BTW, perlagirl, I've been to Canada, too, and I didn't notice a lower standard of living there
Now wait a minute.. I never said lower. It's a different way of life than the US. Also try a road trip to the upper east coast Canada. You will see huge differences compared to Vancouver and Toronto. I loved Vancouver BTW.
One thing the Obama plan will do (and remember nothing has been introduced yet, this is from his campaign platform) is make a mandate for employers of businesses over a certain size to provide insurance to their employees, or pay into a fund. This is similar to what is currently done in Massachusetts. This will pick up a lot of the uninsured.
I would like to see some data about not paying for chronic illnesses in other countries. If you are talking about nursing home care, that is not covered in Medicare in this country, either, except under some very special circumstances and then not for long (I believe 90 days?). Your insurance dictates way more of your cancer care than you might think here in the US. They don't pay for everything either, and the not paying for chemo may be something to do with "evidence-based practice", e.g. using things that research has proven to work.
Certainly any plan will be debated. BTW, do you know that UHC has been introduced to the congress since the time of Harry Truman? Nixon, in fact, favored a plan similar to what is being talked about now. (Heard this yesterday on CNN.) This is not a new idea.
Yes, nursing home care is not covered by Medicare, but it is counted as medical spending by this country. At 12K per month per person it adds up. So does AIDS cocktails (over 10K monthly).
Here are some links that show some dissatisfaction to Britain's NHS, including the rationing of medications for Alzheimer's, kidney cancer, and an article on prolonged waiting periods.
I agree no plan is perfect, and we must look at some of the negatives of UHC as well as the positives to make a truly informed decision (although to be realistic will WE really have a choice.?..it will probably be decided in some backroom meeting by politicians and lobbyists)
Wasn't there an earlier post about someone complaining that they had to pay 10% of their GDP towards health insurance. They were expecting UHC to bring that to 4-5%. I just thinks that there's this myth that it will be so cheap to do it.
Wasn't there an earlier post about someone complaining that they had to pay 10% of their GDP towards health insurance. They were expecting UHC to bring that to 4-5%. I just thinks that there's this myth that it will be so cheap to do it.
yeah.. there was.. I do think 10% is reasonable in comparison.. that's how I got into the whole example I gave. I paid well over that 10% of my income mark for insurance. At teh moment, in this economy my income has suffered SEVERLY (I took a real big hit.. double whammy actually during this calamity of a market) and right now I can't afford insurance accept for my son..which is somewhat reasonable for the HMO he has .. but then a gain he is 3 with no medical problems. I would welcome if insurance were priced at a set percentage of your income.
That's why being taxes 11% in Britian for NHC is pretty dang good.. and knwing that all citizens have coverage makes it even better.
For every link you can provide of why we shouldn't. I could point to links that tell why we should.
including ones that debunk the "myths" and mistruths put forth in the media ... quite similar to the post you put forth which, upon initial read would freak anyone out until they actually read it
60% of the french are happy with their healthcare. Britain has a similar tax structure. I never researched Canada's.
Now wait a minute.. I never said lower. It's a different way of life than the US. Also try a road trip to the upper east coast Canada. You will see huge differences compared to Vancouver and Toronto. I loved Vancouver BTW.
Well, I don't know what you were trying to say about Canada, then. The way of life reminds me somewhat of life in the US in the 50s-60s. A little slower paced. What that has to do with their UHC I do not know. I have been to both Vancouver and Toronto, also Victoria, Vancouver Island, Niagara Falls and northeastern Ontario.
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Yes, nursing home care is not covered by Medicare, but it is counted as medical spending by this country. At 12K per month per person it adds up. So does AIDS cocktails (over 10K monthly).
Here are some links that show some dissatisfaction to Britain's NHS, including the rationing of medications for Alzheimer's, kidney cancer, and an article on prolonged waiting periods.
I agree no plan is perfect, and we must look at some of the negatives of UHC as well as the positives to make a truly informed decision (although to be realistic will WE really have a choice.?..it will probably be decided in some backroom meeting by politicians and lobbyists)
All of these articles are from the Daily Mail, widely regarded as a sort of "National Enquirer" in Britain. The one about Alzheimers was funny. It quotes an author, who is an Alzheimer's patient, slamming the NHS. It also quotes ONE study, done with a grand total of 26 patients, 9 of whom supposedly had improvement with early-use Aricept. That is not even close to 50%. Believe me, my mom took Aricept, and I don't think it helped her at all. I think complaining about the NHS is a soart of national pastime in Britain, sort of like we complain about the weather. Most Brits are satisfied with it; I have seen studies with higher numbers than have been posted. But I doubt you could find 61% of Americans who are satisfied with their health insurance.
There are nursing homes in Britain, also the Netherlands. I don't know about other countries in Europe. There are also AIDS patients in Europe. So those numbers go into their health expenditures, too.
Well, I don't know what you were trying to say about Canada, then. The way of life reminds me somewhat of life in the US in the 50s-60s. A little slower paced. What that has to do with their UHC I do not know. I have been to both Vancouver and Toronto, also Victoria, Vancouver Island, Niagara Falls and northeastern Ontario.
All of these articles are from the Daily Mail, widely regarded as a sort of "National Enquirer" in Britain. The one about Alzheimers was funny. It quotes an author, who is an Alzheimer's patient, slamming the NHS. It also quotes ONE study, done with a grand total of 26 patients, 9 of whom supposedly had improvement with early-use Aricept. That is not even close to 50%. Believe me, my mom took Aricept, and I don't think it helped her at all. I think complaining about the NHS is a soart of national pastime in Britain, sort of like we complain about the weather. Most Brits are satisfied with it; I have seen studies with higher numbers than have been posted. But I doubt you could find 61% of Americans who are satisfied with their health insurance.
There are nursing homes in Britain, also the Netherlands. I don't know about other countries in Europe. There are also AIDS patients in Europe. So those numbers go into their health expenditures, too.
The Daily Mail is a joke, trust me. You're right to compare it to the National Enquirer -- both are garbage.
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Those tax hikes are due to other areas of need within their government
