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Old 03-21-2009, 05:42 AM
 
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Is not about hunting it's about protecting us from the goverment.

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:32 AM
 
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Revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:35 AM
 
Location: southern california
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tony martin of england is still in jail. the government sometimes wants to "help" us. but they dont do a very good job. they stopped punishing criminals long ago. the new object of punishment is citizens and cops that defend themselves against rapists and murderers.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:39 AM
 
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Is not about hunting it's about protecting us from the goverment.

Suzanna Gratia-Hupp: What the Second Amendment is REALLY For
Is that was Ms Gratia-Hupp was testifying to? Funny I must have missed that part of her testimony.

No the Second Amendment isn't for "protecting us from government",
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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tony martin of england is still in jail.
Nope. He was released in July 2003.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:49 AM
 
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Is that was Ms Gratia-Hupp was testifying to? Funny I must have missed that part of her testimony.

No the Second Amendment isn't for "protecting us from government",
The purpose of the Second Amendment most definately is to protect against abuse by the government. Namely, to enable the overthrow of the government.
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Old 03-21-2009, 09:56 AM
 
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What I wonder is how that will apply in practice in the future. Technology is getting to the point where traditional firearms will be well and truly useless against a technologized military. For example, it's not too difficult to imagine automated millimeter-wave radar units that would remotely and silently scan for anything fitting the profile of a firearm, open or concealed, then either destroy the target, or refer to a human decisionmaker at a remote location.

This is technology in development right now. We can only imagine how this will develop into the future.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Flyover Country
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She makes a very compelling argument. I believe the shooting she lost her parents at was the buffet outside of Kileen, Texas, which is where I was stationed at when it took place in 1990 (or 91)

I understand the point she is trying to make, but she is arguing in favor of something that allowed her own parents to get killed: Possession of an assault rifle.

She still argues in favor or gun ownership. And she makes a very convincing argument, regardless. But assault rifles in the U.S. are one of the main reasons that the drug war in Mexico is so deadly today.

You can argue in favor of their possession till you are blue in the face but they do not make us all safer. Just look at Mexico.
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:03 AM
 
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What I wonder is how that will apply in practice in the future. Technology is getting to the point where traditional firearms will be well and truly useless against a technologized military. For example, it's not too difficult to imagine automated millimeter-wave radar units that would remotely and silently scan for anything fitting the profile of a firearm, open or concealed, then either destroy the target, or refer to a human decisionmaker at a remote location.

This is technology in development right now. We can only imagine how this will develop into the future.
Just look at Afghanistan. LOL
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Old 03-21-2009, 10:04 AM
 
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She makes a very compelling argument. I believe the shooting she lost her parents at was the buffet outside of Kileen, Texas, which is where I was stationed at when it took place in 1990 (or 91)

I understand the point she is trying to make, but she is arguing in favor of something that allowed her own parents to get killed: Possession of an assault rifle.

She still argues in favor or gun ownership. And she makes a very convincing argument, regardless. But assault rifles in the U.S. are one of the main reasons that the drug war in Mexico is so deadly today.

You can argue in favor of their possession till you are blue in the face but they do not make us all safer. Just look at Mexico.
The Mexicans are using full-auto firearms not semi-auto firearms for the most part, except maybe handguns. And now they're using grenades, anti-tank weapons, etc.
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