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Old 03-25-2009, 07:57 PM
 
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SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM!

You guys need to get a new word. That one has worn out its welcome.

 
Old 03-25-2009, 08:00 PM
 
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SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM! SOCIALISM!

You guys need to get a new word. That one has worn out its welcome.
Yeah, that's why socialist candidates like Obama do everything to pretend they are something else. Conservatives win by promising conservatism. Socialists win by lying about their socialism.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 08:36 PM
 
Location: um....guess
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Socialism does not bring out the best in people, doesn't bring out their creativity, and doesn't provide incentive. That's why socialist societies are in constant economic stagnation.
Well, I just don't see how it would inhibit creativity, progression, innovation. I really just don't understand that. And as far as I can tell, the rich will still be rich, they'll still be making their money, so really I still don't get why people think it's so bad.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 09:22 PM
 
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Yeah, that's why socialist candidates like Obama do everything to pretend they are something else. Conservatives win by promising conservatism. Socialists win by lying about their socialism.
You wouldn't know a socialist if they hit you upside the head with a copy of Das Kapital! As for winning by promising conservatism, we know how well that worked in 2006 and 2008. In point of fact it didn't work in 2000 or 2004.

*2000 Bush didn't run as a "conservative" promising compassionate conservatism, a humble foreign policy and, get this, raising the Earn Income Tax Credit, in 2004 Bush was the 9/11 24/7 candidate. The conservatism that you lunatics promote hasn't won since 1996.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 09:39 PM
 
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*2000 Bush didn't run as a "conservative" promising compassionate conservatism, a humble foreign policy and, get this, raising the Earn Income Tax Credit, in 2004 Bush was the 9/11 24/7 candidate. The conservatism that you lunatics promote hasn't won since 1996.
Yeah. And hey - let's go invade a country that never attacked us and force them into Democracy! How conservative! Woo hoo!
 
Old 03-25-2009, 09:49 PM
 
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You wouldn't know a socialist if they hit you upside the head with a copy of Das Kapital! As for winning by promising conservatism, we know how well that worked in 2006 and 2008. In point of fact it didn't work in 2000 or 2004.

*2000 Bush didn't run as a "conservative" promising compassionate conservatism, a humble foreign policy and, get this, raising the Earn Income Tax Credit, in 2004 Bush was the 9/11 24/7 candidate. The conservatism that you lunatics promote hasn't won since 1996.
Sorry Ovcatto, but there hasn't been a true conservative since Goldwater and before that, yikes...

Granted America is about meeting in the middle but pointing out conservative issues put forth by actual conservatives in the past two decades is like trying to find a marble on Mars with a magnifying glass Never mistake Republicanism with Conservatism as they are not mutually exclusive.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 09:54 PM
 
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Yeah. And hey - let's go invade a country that never attacked us and force them into Democracy! How conservative! Woo hoo!
Or better yet, demand democracy and then when the locals democratically vote for an anti-American regime (see Hamas) get all bent out of shape.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 10:03 PM
 
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Socialism does not bring out the best in people, doesn't bring out their creativity, and doesn't provide incentive. That's why socialist societies are in constant economic stagnation.
So basically laissez faire capitalism is for the incredibly lazy.

As a for instance see absolutely any open source project ever, plenty of creativity there and they're paid nothing.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 10:17 PM
 
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You wouldn't know a socialist if they hit you upside the head with a copy of Das Kapital! As for winning by promising conservatism, we know how well that worked in 2006 and 2008. In point of fact it didn't work in 2000 or 2004.

*2000 Bush didn't run as a "conservative" promising compassionate conservatism, a humble foreign policy and, get this, raising the Earn Income Tax Credit, in 2004 Bush was the 9/11 24/7 candidate. The conservatism that you lunatics promote hasn't won since 1996.
Why do you have the illusion nobody knows what socialism is but you?

As for 2006 and 2008, conservatism wasn't on the ballot either time in the GOP. McCain certainly wasn't a conservative. That's why so many people stayed home on election day. Bush absolutely ran as a conservative in 2000, promising lower taxes and a good strong social agenda. He had cred because of his conservative rule in Texas. In 2004, Bush won because he'd earned his chops as a tax cutting pro-lifer.

I love when the liberals try to say conservatism lost in 2008. A strong conservative would have beaten the manchild by 10 points. Hell, he couldn't close the deal against Thighlary Clinton. He wouldn't have won if not for the superdelegates.
 
Old 03-25-2009, 10:22 PM
 
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I love when the liberals try to say conservatism lost in 2008. A strong conservative would have beaten the manchild by 10 points. Hell, he couldn't close the deal against Thighlary Clinton. He wouldn't have won if not for the superdelegates.
You can't win a fight you don't show up for and if you're not winning you're losing. Where are these strong Conservatives, anyway?
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