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Old 03-24-2009, 09:43 AM
 
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This will be the straw that breaks the camels back. Mark my words.
alot of white people SAID that about giving blacks equal rights
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:44 AM
 
Location: The #1 sunshine state, Arizona.
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My Irish ancestors were portrayed as dirty, drunken, violent, ape-like louts and it was all too common to put up signs at workplaces saying "Irish Need Not Apply".

Soooo....where's mine, boyos?
It seems it is easier for nationalities that try to assimilate with US culture. I might get flamed for this but I don't think the influential mini series, "Roots" helped the black man's fight for equality in this country. Whether we like it or not, it seems in order to get by in this country, it is more important to blend in than to stand out and be different.
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:53 AM
 
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It seems it is easier for nationalities that try to assimilate with US culture. I might get flamed for this but I don't think the influential mini series, "Roots" helped the black man's fight for equality in this country. Whether we like it or not, it seems in order to get by in this country, it is more important to blend in than to stand out and be different.
Roots was a story based on some facts. It wasn't created as a tool for a fight for equality.

This kind of thinking doesn't surprise me though. People look to the media to form their opinions of blacks and use those opinions as fact.
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:57 AM
 
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are u serious.. so this is the reason why we're getting racial crap thrown at us LMAO GTFOH WITH THAT, 100! as far as conyers and republicans, they dont want to cooperate their only obligation is to destroy and distract

Take it anyway you want. I agree blacks do not have an even playing field when it comes to education. When it comes to reparation, thats how they can assist. But at the same time we need to help ourselves as well. Agree to disagree....
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Old 03-24-2009, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Bayou City
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Would have been nice if the actual slaves would have been given something in 1905 from the actual slave owners. Totally agree. Anyways, my ancestors were in Europe. What do you want from me?
You're not the issue. I'm just trying to figure out why the government didn't think it would have been nice in 1905, and why that oversight makes the idea of reparations any less justifiable today?
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:05 AM
 
Location: Charleston Sc and Western NC
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I'm pretty sure my European relatives were indentured servants, sold the minute the boat docked in 1702.

Where's my reparation? I sure would feel better getting an apology, or a little dough, for someone I never knew, nor my great grandfather knew.....heck I didn't even know my great grandfather.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:06 AM
 
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Roots was a story based on some facts. It wasn't created as a tool for a fight for equality.

This kind of thinking doesn't surprise me though. People look to the media to form their opinions of blacks and use those opinions as fact.
If I may speak hoestly on this issue:

Both sides of this debate do that to some extent. Most of us right-thinking people know that 90% of AA are regular everyday people, no different than anyone else. The issue is the most vocal often are the 10% who do use race as a bully-club for various agendas and excuses.

Does slavery have some effect on today? Absolutley. And I do feel that the AA community needs help to try and "Bridge the Historical Gap". What is not appreacted is basically telling everyone and anyone who is successful that they're a racist and they're just successful becuase they're white or act like they are. Just like White America needs to wake up and realize race relations in this country still have a ways to go, Black America needs to wake up and realize it's not an excuse to act foolish and not get your ish together.

Lemme put it to you in very stark terms: In 1940, a time of horrendous racism, Harlem was by almost any measure, a healthier, cleaner, safer and vibrant place than it was in say 1990. If racism is the end-all-be-all of why things are in American society, why this little nugget of truth?
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:09 AM
 
Location: Bayou City
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Actually many of us gripe about the above. That said those who were wronged by slavery and those who did it are long dead.
Your great great grandfather punched my great great grandfather for no reason. I want reparations for pain and suffering. Makes just about as much sense.
You're under the fanciful notion that reparations is about forcing private white citizens to pay black people out of pocket.

Nope. Doesn't amount to that.

This is about government taking responsibility for what it perpetrated for generations.
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:12 AM
 
Location: Near Manito
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You're under the fanciful notion that reparations is about forcing private white citizens to pay black people out of pocket.

Nope. Doesn't amount to that.

This is about government taking responsibility for what it perpetrated for generations.
"Government " is code for private citizens of all colors being asked to ante up. Keep that fact firmly in mind.

You might also consider the fact that the US government "perpetrated" the Civil War which, among other things, ended slavery...
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Old 03-24-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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If I may speak hoestly on this issue:

Both sides of this debate do that to some extent. Most of us right-thinking people know that 90% of AA are regular everyday people, no different than anyone else. The issue is the most vocal often are the 10% who do use race as a bully-club for various agendas and excuses.

Does slavery have some effect on today? Absolutley. And I do feel that the AA community needs help to try and "Bridge the Historical Gap". What is not appreacted is basically telling everyone and anyone who is successful that they're a racist and they're just successful becuase they're white or act like they are. Just like White America needs to wake up and realize race relations in this country still have a ways to go, Black America needs to wake up and realize it's not an excuse to act foolish and not get your ish together.

Lemme put it to you in very stark terms: In 1940, a time of horrendous racism, Harlem was by almost any measure, a healthier, cleaner, safer and vibrant place than it was in say 1990. If racism is the end-all-be-all of why things are in American society, why this little nugget of truth?
Also, what is NOT appreciated is telling the 90% of black people as you say people on the right know are regular everyday people that they are just the same as the 5 or 10% who don't have it together. We all know that it happens by people believing what is in the media only - without any other information.

Often, just like many posts on this thread I see the one way arguement only.

There are many sides to this issue, just how many are willing to admit that?
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