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View Poll Results: Do you agree with the Vermont governor's decision to veto same-sex marriage in his state?
Yes 33 41.77%
No 43 54.43%
Not sure 3 3.80%
Voters: 79. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 04-28-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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Just a matter of time, bigots. You will lose this battle, just like you lost the civil rights battles of the 60s. It's just a matter of time.
Bingo. My wife and I talk about how obvious that is. I rarely hear it elsewhere. Kudos to Vermont for being on the moral side of history.
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Old 04-28-2009, 01:53 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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If that ever happened, mark my word...I would go to White House on my min. wage salary and protest. I am sure there would be many there with me.

And I am straight by the way.

It just hurts me to see my fellow Americans (who are gay and lesbian) getting denied their RIGHT to LOVE in a FREE country!

Just for the record. I think they should be able to marry if they want to. What do I care if a couple (or more) want to get married?

But you need to slow down with the uber-hippie talk. No one is denied the right to love here. They just want it for pure financial reasons. (well, thats probably 80-90% of it anyways)
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Old 04-28-2009, 02:12 PM
 
Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Question: Is there anywhere that states in the Constitution that marriage is between a man and a woman?
Even better, is marriage even mentioned in the Constitution? Of course it's not! Which is why so many who are against SSM rushed to amend their state constitutions and want to add such an amendment to the US Constitution. They are scared to death that John and Joe down the street or Mary and Maria across town might get married. They are scared to death that the SCOTUS will overturn DOMA. I just can't imagine being so scared of something that has absolutely no effect at all on my life.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:10 PM
 
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Default Choice or not

As far as whether being gay, bi, or anything in between is a choice: First of all, there's plenty of evidence leading in the direction of genetics. Perhaps it's not been proven, but it's certainly leaning that way. Let's say it's a choice, ya know? Just for fun. With all the hate and discrimination that goes along with being gay, why would you choose to be gay?

How many minorities in the 60's would've traded in the old dark paint job for a shiny new white one? How many beatings does it take before you want to trade up? Hmm? Has anyone ever considered that? No one wants to be discriminated against or hated. Who would make that CHOICE?
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:19 PM
 
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As far as whether being gay, bi, or anything in between is a choice: First of all, there's plenty of evidence leading in the direction of genetics. Perhaps it's not been proven, but it's certainly leaning that way. Let's say it's a choice, ya know? Just for fun. With all the hate and discrimination that goes along with being gay, why would you choose to be gay?
Ironically, those who say it's a choice could be accused of being at least a little bit homosexual. After all, if you can imagine that it's a choice, then you must have the ability to see yourself choosing to be gay.

But the bottom line is that you're right. A person would have to be insane to have homosexual sex if he were actually heterosexual. It would make no sense.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:23 PM
 
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Ironically, those who say it's a choice could be accused of being at least a little bit homosexual. After all, if you can imagine that it's a choice, then you must have the ability to see yourself choosing to be gay.

But the bottom line is that you're right. A person would have to be insane to have homosexual sex if he were actually heterosexual. It would make no sense.

Right on. My point is even broader. Think about "choices" people make. People make "choices" which are in their best interest. I choose not to jump into the campfire, because it will hurt. I choose to drink water, because I don't want to die. Every choice we make is to benefit ourselves, our loved ones, our causes.
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:52 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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I too would love to give homosexuals the ability to marry but....It's 2 guys so they can't.
Even if the whole country legalizes it, the homosexual married couple will always be the token married gay couple at every party. Every heterosexual couple will look at that marriage as different. Not equal. A lesser marriage. And in 100 years it will still be that way.

My question is: Why would you want to put yourselves through that?
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Old 04-28-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Dorchester
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As far as whether being gay, bi, or anything in between is a choice: First of all, there's plenty of evidence leading in the direction of genetics. Perhaps it's not been proven, but it's certainly leaning that way. Let's say it's a choice, ya know? Just for fun. With all the hate and discrimination that goes along with being gay, why would you choose to be gay?

How many minorities in the 60's would've traded in the old dark paint job for a shiny new white one? How many beatings does it take before you want to trade up? Hmm? Has anyone ever considered that? No one wants to be discriminated against or hated. Who would make that CHOICE?
Birth defect.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:06 PM
 
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Even if the whole country legalizes it, the homosexual married couple will always be the token married gay couple at every party. Every heterosexual couple will look at that marriage as different. Not equal. A lesser marriage. And in 100 years it will still be that way.
I bet some people looked at interracial and interfaith marriages in the same way. Many probably still do. The "token black couple", for example.
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Old 04-28-2009, 04:09 PM
 
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Birth defect.
lol.. Well, at least that's progress of some sort. At least you're not insisting that some people choose to be gay.

And while it's possible that homosexuality (or anything else for that matter) could someday be considered a "birth defect", at this time, the consensus among psychologists and medical professionals in general is that it is not.
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