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It is too sad to think of those children --- I don't care if their grandfather was adolph hitler, the crash and their deaths are still horrible and tragic.
To bringing 'god' into it is just obscene, imo.
That coincidence sets off my paranoia alarms. I wonder what the NTSB says caused the crash.
I'm going to go with 'the plane was overloaded and overweight.' For all we know one of the extra passengers managed to shove the flight control forward. But the plane was probably way beyond its weight rating.
I'm going to go with 'the plane was overloaded and overweight.' For all we know one of the extra passengers managed to shove the flight control forward. But the plane was probably way beyond its weight rating.
Half the passengers were children. Children usually weigh less than adults. While it's illegal to put more people into a plane than there are seats to hold them (except infants you can hold in your lap, which these weren't), its quite possible that the plane was not overweight, even at takeoff with a full load of fuel.
We'll have to see what the FAA report says about takeoff weight, as well as about rated number of seats vs. how many people on board.
BTW, this crash happened at the END of a long flight, not at the beginning. A plane is always heaviest at takeoff, when fuel tanks are full. It then burns off hundreds of pounds of fuel as it flies to its destination, and arrives far lighter than it took off.
Even if the plane was illegally overweight at takeoff, it's VERY unlikely it was overweight as it approached its destination airport and things went wrong.
My guess is, ice formed on the wings, changing their shape and making them much less able to generate the lift needed to keep the plane aloft. This is often not apparent at cruising speeds (300 mph for that plane). But when you slow down to approach speeds (150mph or less) and angle the nose upward to generate the lift you need, you can get a nasty surprise. A plane that flew fine with that weight level at 150 mph with no ice, can suddenly fall out of the sky when you slow down to 150 with ice on the wings. It is one of the more common causes of aircraft crashes.
Ice can also affect engine performance in various ways. It may happen that, if you find yourself going too slow and losing lift, and you gun the engine to pick up the necessary speed, you get no response, or even an engine failure.
Ice and airplanes just don't get along.
My guess is, the crash was related directly to icing, and unrelated to the plane's weight or passenger loading in this case. We'll see what the final report says.
Half the passengers were children. Children usually weigh less than adults. While it's illegal to put more people into a plane than there are seats to hold them (except infants you can hold in your lap, which these weren't), its quite possible that the plane was not overweight, even at takeoff with a full load of fuel.
We'll have to see what the FAA report says about takeoff weight, as well as about rated number of seats vs. how many people on board.
BTW, this crash happened at the END of a long flight, not at the beginning. A plane is always heaviest at takeoff, when fuel tanks are full. It then burns off hundreds of pounds of fuel as it flies to its destination, and arrives far lighter than it took off.
Even if the plane was illegally overweight at takeoff, it's VERY unlikely it was overweight as it approached its destination airport and things went wrong.
My guess is, ice formed on the wings, changing their shape and making them much less able to generate the lift needed to keep the plane aloft. This is often not apparent at cruising speeds (300 mph for that plane). But when you slow down to approach speeds (150mph or less) and angle the nose upward to generate the lift you need, you can get a nasty surprise. A plane that flew fine with that weight level at 150 mph with no ice, can suddenly fall out of the sky when you slow down to 150 with ice on the wings. It is one of the more common causes of aircraft crashes.
Ice can also affect engine performance in various ways. It may happen that, if you find yourself going too slow and losing lift, and you gun the engine to pick up the necessary speed, you get no response, or even an engine failure.
Ice and airplanes just don't get along.
My guess is, the crash was related directly to icing, and unrelated to the plane's weight or passenger loading in this case. We'll see what the final report says.
I know a lot of the passengers were kids. They were going on a ski trip though, and people bring tons of crap along for those. You have a delta of 6 people between what the plane is rated for and how many there were. I don't know the headcount for children vs. adults but I'd venture to guess that the overall weight of just the people was at least as many as 8 adults would've been.
Of course it would've been heavier at takeoff than when they crashed. My guess is that someone noticed they were getting low on fuel, diverted to this other airport and ran out short of the runway with no altitude to trade for airspeed.
Pointing out hateful stupidity is not equivalent to posting the same as if it were insightful.
Agreed, but consider the source. The only potency of message she's got to offer is why should anyone feed idiotic threads. I think this thread ended right where your post left it. I'm willing to wait for investigators to make their assessment as to cause.
We may not shoot a lame thread to put it out of it's misery save for your one statement that hit the nail on the head, but we can refuse to feed it any serious consideration. Some really sick folks get off on getting beat about the head.
There is almost no value in posting the drivel that's in the OP (unless you are Fred Phelps), but there is value in mocking it. The OP was an embarrassing mess of mythological nonsense, and Who?Me! is doing a public service by making sure that the OP will recognize that what used to be assumed as the default is not anymore. Blind belief in the existence of god is falling, and falling fast. And not a moment too soon.
That coincidence sets off my paranoia alarms. I wonder what the NTSB says caused the crash.
Maybe what it said about Michael Connell's plane crash - nothing.
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