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Old 03-29-2009, 12:43 PM
 
Location: exit 0
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THANK you. They know what you mean. Bottom line: They don't care.

You are absolutely right. I for one, do not care.

I am what is considered to be middle class. I pay my taxes, live well, have a decent retirement fund, take vacations to wherever and whenever I want and I want for nothing. I have worked since I was 14 years old and now that I am at an age that I can enjoy life and all it has to offer, I do so. I have never received help from anyone and I am not interested in being forced to help anyone. I have given more than "my fair share" to those that need of assistance because of unforeseen circumstances. I do NOT wish to be a party to the government bailing out anyone, big corporations and private citizens alike.
I want to decide where my money goes and how it will help others that I believe deserve help. If you are lazy and do nothing but complain about your life and the unfairness of your predicament, you get nothing from me. If you are struck by hard times and you are a person that is to proud to ask for help I will do everything in my power to help you. I will give you my energy, my time, anything that you need to get up and running, including my money. But, do not tell me that I HAVE TO do it your way. My way works just fine, TYVM.



I am tired of the whining. Get off your (collective) butt and do something about your circumstance. Anything can be accomplished through hard work, be it actually laboring or doing research to find means to help you pull yourself out of the mess that you are in.
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Old 03-29-2009, 12:43 PM
 
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"Buffet pays less than his secratary": That is because he does not take a salary. If he did, comenserate with his position, he would paying alot more.

"The rich can afford loopholes" ; Even with the "loopholes" that congress made laws to allow, the "rich" stil pay the vast majority of taxes collected.

Where woild the middle class work if the "rich" did not have expendable income?

Who buys the boats, airplanes, ATV's motor homes. What about the travel and vacation industries.

What about the construction industries/ Who do yoy think keeps these industries going if not the people with "money".

I remember when Carter got the luxury tax passed. The boating and small aircraft business went bankrupt.

I am always amazed how people who have not attained a certain level of income are so jealous of those that have, mostly from hard work and sacrafice. There will always be those, like John Kerry, who did not earn his money but, either married itt or inhierited from family who did earn it.
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:09 PM
 
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This is one democrat that may be included to agree with you. I pisses me off when i hear someone brag about how much money they got back during tax time. Someone who only pays maybe 3K in federal taxes gets back $6K. I just don't get it and never will.
When I did my taxes the other day, (Turbo Tax) there was a running Q&A with other users.

Questioner #1: "It says I paid $2300 in taxes but my refund is is $4700. Does that mean I get a check for more than I paid?"
Answer: "Yes"

Questioner #2: "I took an early withdrawal from my 401K to help with my mortgage and bills after I lost my job. Is there a way to avoid the 10% penalty?"
Answer: "No"

Welcome to the new Socialist States of America where we work hard to make sure every citizen has equal access to the fruits of your labor.

This is the kind of garbage conservatives are railing against. It's one thing to ask the "poor" not to pay taxes. It's quite another to give able bodied people the fruits of another's labor. Conservatives give to charity far and above the amount of liberals. We are compassionate despite how we're portrayed by loud-mouthed liberals. We also believe it's compassionate to tell able-bodied people "NO" because we believe that when Americans are forced to solve their own problems, they come up with amazing solutions.
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Old 03-29-2009, 01:55 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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When I did my taxes the other day, (Turbo Tax) there was a running Q&A with other users.

Questioner #1: "It says I paid $2300 in taxes but my refund is is $4700. Does that mean I get a check for more than I paid?"
Answer: "Yes"

Questioner #2: "I took an early withdrawal from my 401K to help with my mortgage and bills after I lost my job. Is there a way to avoid the 10% penalty?"
Answer: "No"

Welcome to the new Socialist States of America where we work hard to make sure every citizen has equal access to the fruits of your labor.

This is the kind of garbage conservatives are railing against. It's one thing to ask the "poor" not to pay taxes. It's quite another to give able bodied people the fruits of another's labor. Conservatives give to charity far and above the amount of liberals. We are compassionate despite how we're portrayed by loud-mouthed liberals. We also believe it's compassionate to tell able-bodied people "NO" because we believe that when Americans are forced to solve their own problems, they come up with amazing solutions.
While I am on here talking BURDEN.. NOT actual tax dollars.. and I will still say that despite the upper brackets paying more.. they DO bear less of a burden...

I CAN agree that to GET BACK more than you paid.. doesn't seem right at all.

Although I for one was never someone that got back MORE or even ALL I paid in taxes (accept when I had my frist job at 15, I think then I got it all back)...

That seems a little off kilter...
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:21 PM
 
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While I am on here talking BURDEN.. NOT actual tax dollars.. and I will still say that despite the upper brackets paying more.. they DO bear less of a burden...

I CAN agree that to GET BACK more than you paid.. doesn't seem right at all.

Although I for one was never someone that got back MORE or even ALL I paid in taxes (accept when I had my frist job at 15, I think then I got it all back)...

That seems a little off kilter...
Burden? What kind of burden were these people bearing when they were in school for years racking up student loan debt and foregoing a salary? Do you think they get to just write off the loan debt when they finally start making a decent salary?

Burden? How about putting your life savings at stake to start a business and work 100 hours a week to make it succeed?

Burden? How about working yourself silly for years to build a 401k and then lose your job and ask to use that money to satisfy your obligations and then find out you're penalized for being responsible?

Burden? Do you really think the chronically poor bear any weight of the economic downturn? Have they even noticed there's an economic downturn? Will they even notice the day it becomes a depression?

Get real people. Decide what you want. Decide what you want your America to be.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:39 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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I think that last year was the first time in the history of this country* where more than 50% of the population did not pay ANY income taxes. That is seriously troubling to me since it means a majority can keep on voting themselves free stuff from the minority. That doesn't seem very fair to me.

*correction: Since the income tax was passed.


You're not considering that, if true, this is a function of a struggling economy?
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:49 PM
 
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You're not considering that, if true, this is a function of a struggling economy?
What difference does it make? The fact is, a large % of people have realized that as long as they keep voting for liberals they don't have to contribute.

Maybe some liberal can explain to me what happens when 100% of the people think this is a good idea? Who pays then?

I was appalled to hear liberals say conservatives "vote against their own self-interest". Think about that statement. It's vomit-inducing.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:51 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What difference does it make? The fact is, a large % of people have realized that as long as they keep voting for liberals they don't have to contribute.

What? Of course an economic downturn matters, especially a downturn as bad as this one. The downturn results in massive amounts of unused productive capacity in industry, not including unemployment. What the heck are you thinking? Step out of the echo chamber.
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Old 03-29-2009, 02:52 PM
 
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KrissyK said
Questioner #1: "It says I paid $2300 in taxes but my refund is is $4700. Does that mean I get a check for more than I paid?"
Answer: "Yes"
That means you overpaid your tax by $4700 thus the return.


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And then she said
Questioner #2: "I took an early withdrawal from my 401K to help with my mortgage and bills after I lost my job. Is there a way to avoid the 10% penalty?"
Answer: "No"
The answer is yes you take it as a loan and save the 10%. Then you make payments to pay it back.

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This is the kind of garbage conservatives are railing against. It's one thing to ask the "poor" not to pay taxes.
Yes because you suffer from CUS.
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Old 03-29-2009, 03:01 PM
 
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What? Of course an economic downturn matters, especially a downturn as bad as this one. The downturn results in massive amounts of unused productive capacity in industry, not including unemployment. What the heck are you thinking? Step out of the echo chamber.

I'm a tax payer. I don't need an echo chamber. My rant comes naturally.

If you'll go back to the beginning of this thread, you'll notice the numbers were from 2003. People have been realizing for quite a while that voting for liberals=no tax burden.

Where do you guys see this ending anyway? Does it make you feel good to put the economic burden of the entire country on the shoulders of a few?

Just confiscate all the wealth and divide it amongst yourselves. That is what you guys want, and you're doing a pretty good job of accomplishing it. I'll give credit where it's due.

I keep waiting to see the "poor" rise up against those illegals that are taking their jobs. Waiting...waiting...waiting. You've convinced an entire group of people that they are above laboring to pay their own way. Again, nice accomplishment. I'll give credit where it's due.
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