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If a country says they have socialized meds, or if you would like "free healthcare"
If a country says they take up to 60% of your income in some parts of canada and your not "rich"
Is that a country that is socialist idealogy? It clearly is NOT full "socialism" as defined I would agree.
But I would like to define this idealogy of high taxes, less individual freedoms and universal government run medical care as something?
Any ideas? Appears no matter what I call it those for this system of government will refine the word and or use different words to define their actions.
I dont support the welfare state, I dont support big government in all forms.
Most actions taken by big government are in complete violation of my individual rights and my labor. The current role of government partically in united states go completely against the founding documents and idealogy behind LIBERTY.
Anything moving a country closer to "1984" style tatics is not something I want to agree with.
I dont trust the government and they very often never tell the truth so why put your hopes into a government that ignores basic honesty. They do nothing but lie and often look for disasters to happen so they might aquire more power.
I dont want to call it socialism, I dont want to call it facism but I do want to call it something.
Or maybe since socialism became such a bad word, progressive just sounded easier to sell to those to stupid to know the difference. Why have free speech when you can control what free speech is.
I'm neither a republican nor a democrat or anything else at this point I am only a human being.
This human being lives in a country called the united states of america and in reading the ideas of the founders of the country I realized governments will never give me liberty. I expect them to uphold the truths that are self evident listed in the constitution but my government ignores the constitution all to often. Government does not provide life, it does not provide a better life it is only to protect the individuals rights to make up his/her own direction in life. But some governments can destroy life, destory the human spirt and even in some extremes mass murder millions.
These high medical costs are not a choice they are an effect and I can assure they it is not because government didnt get involved. Who do think gave the power to insurance companies and corporations to begin with the laws they "wrote" to make sure they got into power. Progessives believe in a "equal playing field" as they would call it, but we will never be the same because we are all individuals with different talents we are born with. So they would rather us ignore your abilties and make sure your are not rewarded, you must be who you are, you are not to excel and most importantly you are not to applauded for on your work ethic. Before socialized meds people use to get free medical care because it was the human beings who had the talents and heart and FREEDOM to make a difference. We had compassion in mankind, we had churches and charities who saw GOD's work to help the sick and poor. They ran hospitals, helped those in need and the money came from those who WILLING DONATED, it wasnt stolen from your paycheck with the threat of jail. But Progressive idealogy and big government created medicare, medicade, social security and other government programs to remove freedom and compassion and replaced it with a paycheck and voting brackets. So those progressives who see socialist idealogy as ahead of the curve ask yourself which is more progressive a system of the IRS? or charity? To me progessive is nothing more then changing the system via voting and the publics view and mind in media and school systems to give to a government run system the rights to your freedoms and your humanity. It is nothing more then criminal in nature and no humanitian reason will make me see otherwise because it's really just stealing via force. I will not support a country that promotes social democracy and some how believes this the new version of "freedom".
In 1776 welfare didnt mean free healthcare and it didnt mean the welfare state.
Also, even in the system of socialied "government insurance" social security makes you pay for taxes on the paycheck you collect that you paid into your whole life.
So just image you in your old age with no money who is dependant on this system find yourself still paying taxes with every check and the government is 12 trillion in debt. IS IT REALLY THAT WRONG TO SAY I WILL NOT SUPPORT PROGRESSIVE/SOCIALIST/FACIST and simply BIG GOVERNMENT IDEALOGY!!
As a Canadian, I am puzzled by a couple of things I came across, in my personal contacts.
A friend of mine lives in Kansas. She wrote to me that her friend at work has a 20 year old son. When he was 15, he was diagnosed with cancer of the type that recurrs. For 5 years, he's gone through chemo and radiation and drugs (some drugs were not on his health plan, so they paid $30,000 for a few injections out-of-pocket). Now he's over $1 million cap on his insurance. As he's 20 now, his mother can't make decisions for him. He has decided to come off all meds and treatments and just wait for whatever happens.
The $1 million cap is what is so disturbing to me. People left on their own when they need treatment the most, is terrible. THAT would never happen in Canada. People are cared for all the way through any cancer. People may need disability insurance to help them with bills, but not the health insurance.
At another health board that I participate, US people come in utter desperations saying that they are un-insured and tests alone cost them thousands. They can't afford doctors and in the ER they are turned away until they can afford to run tests. That leaves you speechless. You are witnessing them practically dying on the streets.
Stay-at-home-moms here on City-Data say they are on their working husbands' health insurance, as well as on their husbands' life insurance. I can't help but think about how utterly important the husband's job must be for them, because if he lost it, their net of benefits breaks down, too. So the job is turned from just an occupation to a dagger full of dark potential.
This, to me, is the utter torture of humans, the Guantanamo Bay in USA.
I heard someone on the radio yesterday (forgot his name) talking about the bad economy in Europe and how people there weren't terrified about it like here in the U.S. because if they lose their job, they still have full healthcare and long-term unemployment benefits, so they don't have to worry about losing their homes. Here in the U.S., if you lose your job, within 6 months, you're screwed. You have no health care, no income, and unless you have tons of money saved up, you lose your home. That's why Americans are freaked out in this economy. What we have is the "you're on your own" economy that the Republicans have created. Big corporations buy off the Republicans (and to an extent, Democrats) and then convince people that they can be self sufficient for life, that a government safety net is "the problem", and that by taking money from the safety net and giving it back to individuals, the individuals will better be able to take care of themselves. All the while, the big corporations and Republicans have shifted wealth from the Middle Class to a select few at the top, the "uber rich", so that it becomes more and more difficult for the Middle Class to be able to save money and actually take care of themselves.
It's a sad situation this country has fallen into. Why anyone would want to move here is beyond me. The majority of Americans are living in fear right now that their lives are nearing a downward spiral into poverty.
I live in Minnesota and our culture is very similar to Canada in many ways, we love ice hockey here, it is a darn cold place and our taxes are very high. I consider Minnesota to be a socialist state because we have some very generous social programs here just like Canada. I guess, my biggest problem with "socialism" is that it is a very unfair system. Last year, I worked my ass off and when I filed my state tax, I actually owed the state, I was in shock! I have lived here for 5 years and NEVER relied on any state tax supported government program to survive or get ahead.
In reality, most of the people who are taking advantage of our social programs are riff-raff from Illinois(Chicago area) who relocate to Minnesota knowing that they will be able to qualify for benefits as soon as they move here. I find this system very unfair!
If a country says they have socialized meds, or if you would like "free healthcare"
If a country says they take up to 60% of your income in some parts of canada and your not "rich"
Is that a country that is socialist idealogy? It clearly is NOT full "socialism" as defined I would agree.
But I would like to define this idealogy of high taxes, less individual freedoms and universal government run medical care as something?
Any ideas? Appears no matter what I call it those for this system of government will refine the word and or use different words to define their actions.
I dont support the welfare state, I dont support big government in all forms.
Most actions taken by big government are in complete violation of my individual rights and my labor. The current role of government partically in united states go completely against the founding documents and idealogy behind LIBERTY.
Anything moving a country closer to "1984" style tatics is not something I want to agree with.
I dont trust the government and they very often never tell the truth so why put your hopes into a government that ignores basic honesty. They do nothing but lie and often look for disasters to happen so they might aquire more power.
I dont want to call it socialism, I dont want to call it facism but I do want to call it something.
Or maybe since socialism became such a bad word, progressive just sounded easier to sell to those to stupid to know the difference. Why have free speech when you can control what free speech is.
I'm neither a republican nor a democrat or anything else at this point I am only a human being.
This human being lives in a country called the united states of america and in reading the ideas of the founders of the country I realized governments will never give me liberty. I expect them to uphold the truths that are self evident listed in the constitution but my government ignores the constitution all to often. Government does not provide life, it does not provide a better life it is only to protect the individuals rights to make up his/her own direction in life. But some governments can destroy life, destory the human spirt and even in some extremes mass murder millions.
These high medical costs are not a choice they are an effect and I can assure they it is not because government didnt get involved. Who do think gave the power to insurance companies and corporations to begin with the laws they "wrote" to make sure they got into power. Progessives believe in a "equal playing field" as they would call it, but we will never be the same because we are all individuals with different talents we are born with. So they would rather us ignore your abilties and make sure your are not rewarded, you must be who you are, you are not to excel and most importantly you are not to applauded for on your work ethic. Before socialized meds people use to get free medical care because it was the human beings who had the talents and heart and FREEDOM to make a difference. We had compassion in mankind, we had churches and charities who saw GOD's work to help the sick and poor. They ran hospitals, helped those in need and the money came from those who WILLING DONATED, it wasnt stolen from your paycheck with the threat of jail. But Progressive idealogy and big government created medicare, medicade, social security and other government programs to remove freedom and compassion and replaced it with a paycheck and voting brackets. So those progressives who see socialist idealogy as ahead of the curve ask yourself which is more progressive a system of the IRS? or charity? To me progessive is nothing more then changing the system via voting and the publics view and mind in media and school systems to give to a government run system the rights to your freedoms and your humanity. It is nothing more then criminal in nature and no humanitian reason will make me see otherwise because it's really just stealing via force. I will not support a country that promotes social democracy and some how believes this the new version of "freedom".
In 1776 welfare didnt mean free healthcare and it didnt mean the welfare state.
Also, even in the system of socialied "government insurance" social security makes you pay for taxes on the paycheck you collect that you paid into your whole life.
So just image you in your old age with no money who is dependant on this system find yourself still paying taxes with every check and the government is 12 trillion in debt. IS IT REALLY THAT WRONG TO SAY I WILL NOT SUPPORT PROGRESSIVE/SOCIALIST/FACIST and simply BIG GOVERNMENT IDEALOGY!!
Oh, most certainly, the corporations that you'd rather have run the country never lie and always have our best interest in mind
Say whatever you want - we already have socialism in this country (fire protection, police protection, public libraries, social security, public roads - and the list goes on) because we all agree that certain services are needed by all, that the best way to provide them is to tax citizens, and adding healthcare to the mix is the best way to fix the current problem. If you completely removed what's left of the safety net in this country, you'd see poverty like a third world country.
Socialism is not a bad word. The Republicans have tried to turn it into one because they know their agenda of removing the social safety net completely and creating a country where a small, rich, ruling class has control over empoverished masses is now in jeopardy of not happening. But hey, they fooled you, no?
I live in Minnesota and our culture is very similar to Canada in many ways, we love ice hockey here, it is a darn cold place and our taxes are very high. I consider Minnesota to be a socialist state because we have some very generous social programs here just like Canada. I guess, my biggest problem with "socialism" is that it is a very unfair system. Last year, I worked my ass off and when I filed my state tax, I actually owed the state, I was in shock! I have lived here for 5 years and NEVER relied on any state tax supported government program to survive or get ahead.
In reality, most of the people who are taking advantage of our social programs are riff-raff from Illinois(Chicago area) who relocate to Minnesota knowing that they will be able to qualify for benefits as soon as they move here. I find this system very unfair!
Ah, but you actually benefit from the social services, even if you don't use them. You get to live in a society where there is less poverty and therefore less crime. If you employ people, then you get the benefit of having more educated candidates to choose from. All you're thinking about is "me, me, me" rather than society as a whole.
A social welfare system accompanied by a really progressive income tax does not threaten entrepreneurial capitalism. By providing a floor under income and universal health care it greatly reduces the risk to the innovator. Innovation does threaten the existing economic power structure. The Canadian prospectors are an example. They do not sell their diamonds through the international DeBeers cartel. This has cost the cartel a huge amount of money. A social welfare system does threaten the corporate feudalism that is rapidly destroying our, and the world’s economy.
My comment was not really rhetorical but more in the form of sarcasm. A really SOCIALIST country would have never let these men become very rich because a truly socialist country would have had government geologists find the diamonds and developed the mine for the government. In fact the Canadian government does own the land where the mines are located but gave the prospectors, in return for exploring the place, a claim to the minerals in a plot the size of Montana.
I firmly believe an economy that provides basic life support to all of its citizens will have a far more entrepreneurial economy and become more prosperous than one dominated by a few industrialists (how hard is it to start a rival car company in the US?) and fewer corrupt financiers. The alternative is a feudal society where the owners of the land and factories operate with tenant farmers and nearly slave labor and there is no possibility of change.
A social welfare system accompanied by a really progressive income tax does not threaten entrepreneurial capitalism. By providing a floor under income and universal health care it greatly reduces the risk to the innovator. Innovation does threaten the existing economic power structure. The Canadian prospectors are an example. They do not sell their diamonds through the international DeBeers cartel. This has cost the cartel a huge amount of money. A social welfare system does threaten the corporate feudalism that is rapidly destroying our, and the world’s economy.
My comment was not really rhetorical but more in the form of sarcasm. A really SOCIALIST country would have never let these men become very rich because a truly socialist country would have had government geologists find the diamonds and developed the mine for the government. In fact the Canadian government does own the land where the mines are located but gave the prospectors, in return for exploring the place, a claim to the minerals in a plot the size of Montana.
I firmly believe an economy that provides basic life support to all of its citizens will have a far more entrepreneurial economy and become more prosperous than one dominated by a few industrialists (how hard is it to start a rival car company in the US?) and fewer corrupt financiers. The alternative is a feudal society where the owners of the land and factories operate with tenant farmers and nearly slave labor and there is no possibility of change.
Your right. Rhetotical was incorrect.
I agree with the underlined comments 100%.
If a country says they have socialized meds, or if you would like "free healthcare"
If a country says they take up to 60% of your income in some parts of canada and your not "rich"
Is that a country that is socialist idealogy? It clearly is NOT full "socialism" as defined I would agree.
But I would like to define this idealogy of high taxes, less individual freedoms and universal government run medical care as something?
Any ideas? Appears no matter what I call it those for this system of government will refine the word and or use different words to define their actions.
I dont support the welfare state, I dont support big government in all forms.
Most actions taken by big government are in complete violation of my individual rights and my labor. The current role of government partically in united states go completely against the founding documents and idealogy behind LIBERTY.
Anything moving a country closer to "1984" style tatics is not something I want to agree with.
I dont trust the government and they very often never tell the truth so why put your hopes into a government that ignores basic honesty. They do nothing but lie and often look for disasters to happen so they might aquire more power.
I dont want to call it socialism, I dont want to call it facism but I do want to call it something.
Or maybe since socialism became such a bad word, progressive just sounded easier to sell to those to stupid to know the difference. Why have free speech when you can control what free speech is.
I'm neither a republican nor a democrat or anything else at this point I am only a human being.
This human being lives in a country called the united states of america and in reading the ideas of the founders of the country I realized governments will never give me liberty. I expect them to uphold the truths that are self evident listed in the constitution but my government ignores the constitution all to often. Government does not provide life, it does not provide a better life it is only to protect the individuals rights to make up his/her own direction in life. But some governments can destroy life, destory the human spirt and even in some extremes mass murder millions.
These high medical costs are not a choice they are an effect and I can assure they it is not because government didnt get involved. Who do think gave the power to insurance companies and corporations to begin with the laws they "wrote" to make sure they got into power. Progessives believe in a "equal playing field" as they would call it, but we will never be the same because we are all individuals with different talents we are born with. So they would rather us ignore your abilties and make sure your are not rewarded, you must be who you are, you are not to excel and most importantly you are not to applauded for on your work ethic. Before socialized meds people use to get free medical care because it was the human beings who had the talents and heart and FREEDOM to make a difference. We had compassion in mankind, we had churches and charities who saw GOD's work to help the sick and poor. They ran hospitals, helped those in need and the money came from those who WILLING DONATED, it wasnt stolen from your paycheck with the threat of jail. But Progressive idealogy and big government created medicare, medicade, social security and other government programs to remove freedom and compassion and replaced it with a paycheck and voting brackets. So those progressives who see socialist idealogy as ahead of the curve ask yourself which is more progressive a system of the IRS? or charity? To me progessive is nothing more then changing the system via voting and the publics view and mind in media and school systems to give to a government run system the rights to your freedoms and your humanity. It is nothing more then criminal in nature and no humanitian reason will make me see otherwise because it's really just stealing via force. I will not support a country that promotes social democracy and some how believes this the new version of "freedom".
In 1776 welfare didnt mean free healthcare and it didnt mean the welfare state.
Also, even in the system of socialied "government insurance" social security makes you pay for taxes on the paycheck you collect that you paid into your whole life.
So just image you in your old age with no money who is dependant on this system find yourself still paying taxes with every check and the government is 12 trillion in debt. IS IT REALLY THAT WRONG TO SAY I WILL NOT SUPPORT PROGRESSIVE/SOCIALIST/FACIST and simply BIG GOVERNMENT IDEALOGY!!
In a real democracy, the government is "the people", and they represent the people's interest. Why is there this fear of government in the US?
I fear profit driven mega-corporations more than my government. I can alway vote a new party in next election. Mega-corps, not so much.
Is it because you're only have a two-party system?
Oh, most certainly, the corporations that you'd rather have run the country never lie and always have our best interest in mind
Say whatever you want - we already have socialism in this country (fire protection, police protection, public libraries, social security, public roads - and the list goes on) because we all agree that certain services are needed by all, that the best way to provide them is to tax citizens, and adding healthcare to the mix is the best way to fix the current problem. If you completely removed what's left of the safety net in this country, you'd see poverty like a third world country.
Socialism is not a bad word. The Republicans have tried to turn it into one because they know their agenda of removing the social safety net completely and creating a country where a small, rich, ruling class has control over empoverished masses is now in jeopardy of not happening. But hey, they fooled you, no?
The difference is our government has been bought and sold in washington everyday with lobbyist of all kinds. Then the government given the power by high taxes, the federal reserve system which now is bankrupting the nation. Corporations didnt tell the govenrment to spend all of its money on wars, and social programs that was the deisgn of BIG GOVERNMENT idealogy. Corporations arent making you buy a american car or a foreign car, they arent making you spend your money and most importantly they arent holding a gun to your head and jail time if you dont give them money. Government is the one with promises and lies that tells you how often to pay. The government tells banks to making housing loans and the tax payer will pick up the tab, the government lowers the value of your dollar and it's purchasing power. Then on April 15th makes you pay an accountant so you dont get thrown in jail for doing your taxes wrong. Corporations DO lie but once they do lie they are usually slandered by the press and not bailed out (Unless the government does) and the truth and lawsuits SHUT THEM DOWN via the law and common sense. When was the last time we sued the government and won. Governments have kept more people in slavery then a corporation because a corporation doesnt write laws that is unless your government doesnt follow a constitution and ethically breaks those laws. But it starts with the power of goverment.
As far as fire departments and police departments and roads, all of that is local taxes not federal taxes and most importantly you would see the difference between local and federal taxes and those taxes actually have some accountablity to them. Last time I checked police departments werent the cause for the 12 trillion in debt. In having those "services" locally which is left to the states and the people via constitution also doesnt infringe on my freedoms as much as the IRS would via the federal government and most of the laws the federal government passes. I also can move to the next town or another state for lower taxes, rent etc if I wanted different services. Yet we still have voluteer fire companys all over this country and if it was up to the progressives they would make them become a union and or convert them to government jobs. Last time I checked in a truly free society and truly free capitalist society which we never really had I think as a country we would find more solutions instead of creating one size fits all government social nets. Again you ignore the facts of government running anything, they can't run a budget, they can't run a lemonade stand and you want them to run medical care. All the while your benefits will suffer, it is a fact every time government takes over something that worked will now become part of a bigger problem. When its all said and done I ask the question to you who do you trust more yourself or your government. Look at Bush, Clinton and every person on congress. Do you know better what do with your money, do you know when you see a good service and product and support it because you trust it. Government has been tested it has failed every test because it is trying to do unnaturally what it can not control. Its only goal is to control people. Its not about helping you because if it was I would have heard someone in government aleast admit they failed.
But they believe in themselves that they know more then you and they know more how to control your life. I'm tied of the forms of control, the cameras, the media and the debt and lies they create to sells us another chain to enslave us with and the next war they gets us into.
Even with Obama we cant even get the truth and nobody can tell thousands of families when either loved ones are coming home, what is the goal, even DEFINE VICTORY. So while we have 700 miltary bases all across the world, we have people acrossing our borders illegally, 12 trillion in debt, bailing out corprorations and somehow this is the social net you keep buying into. Katrina happens people are removed from their homes, their guns and property is stolen and all the while our government looks around the room and finds each other to blame. If the idealogy is broken management really wont change anything. My compassion comes from individual liberty where does yours come from and how. Based on your idealogy the government tells your rights. What happens when the government tells you something you dont like when will you realize you gave them to much power. Maybe it will come when your in the hosiptal paid all your taxes and dying from cancer and the government tells you before they give you treatment you will be reviewed for cost and your age and if you should get treatment. After all it was you who put your trust into government run healthcare and when the expenses get too high they will do just that. I'm one of the many who dont have health insurance.
I'm also the one who only pays 60 dollars a doctor visit while the doctor would have to charge 130 for my visit to the insurance company that is double the normal cost if I pay out of pocket. Just wonder what the bill would be when government picks up the tab in about 20 years later and corruption into the system. Think about it. By the way the same corporations you hate will be the same ones the government runs to while they come up with a task force on how to manage healthcare. DO you really think government knows anything about healthcare, where do think the corrupt "experts" will come from. That's right the new "free healthcare" system will come from the same insurance companies and lawyers who created this crazy system and make it even worse.
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