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Old 03-31-2009, 11:47 AM
 
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If they are asking for government handouts, at tax payer expense, I don't have a real problem with this.
If they are not, than I'm big time against Frank's proposal and I for sure lean left.
The CEO's and board of directors of these companies got themselves in trobule with absurd spending and reckless behavior. So why shouldn't the government try to control stuff like that it they are asking the government for help thanks to reckless behavior?
The OP's thread is big time misleading. I'm not suprised though.
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:48 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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But the Bonus and the extra perks should be cut out...How can ANYONE received a bonus without profits.
Because that was the agreement,whether you like it or not...
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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We don't know what language and conditions the bailouts came with, but in many cases when the governemnt bails you out they end up owning enough of the stock of that company, and therefore become eligible for calling some of the shots at these companies. If I had taken bailout money, I'd try to pay it off asap to get the govt off my back. This is the direct result of Bush-Obama policy of bailing out companies as opposed to letting them fail. Now they have been bailed out, and they are already crying about how unfair it is because they don't get to call all the shots anymore. It's like selling 51% of your shares to a competetor, and they crying about the purchaser making desicions you don't like.
Well If it had been agreed to there would be no controversy...

This is pretty simple,the fedgov. interfered and we are now seeing the unintended consequences,and the results will come back to bite us all in the butt one day.
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:51 AM
 
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To the OP: Your title is misleading. Did you actually read the article?

I agree with Barney Frank 100% on this. I believe that if you receive government funds, you have to play by the governments rules regarding pay. This will force companies to think twice about taking hand outs and make them find alternative methods of making a profit.
Agreed.

Cutting salaries is a method of making or increasing profit. Since the money needs to be paid back, I want to see as much as possible go to the bottom line. Screw the execs.
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:54 AM
 
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Because that was the agreement,whether you like it or not...
Do you also believe that auto workers shouldn't make any concessions because they had a contractual agreement?
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Old 03-31-2009, 11:55 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Do you also believe that auto workers shouldn't make any concessions because they had a contractual agreement?
You mean discuss the matter and not simply pass a law....like is being proposed???
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:07 PM
 
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You mean discuss the matter and not simply pass a law....like is being proposed???
No. I want to know if your reasoning is consistent.

Myself, I believe that all contracts become renegotiable when a company receives taxpayer funds, workers and execs alike.

Your stated reasoning is different: A contract is a contract. I want to know if you apply that reasoning to workers as well as executives.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:17 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Sigh...there was NO negotiating on salaries when the fedgov. CHOSE to loan our money to the automakers....

The fedgov. cannot now go back and decide it is going to change the deal afterwards.

Well actually it can because the fedgov. is dictating what will occur.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:25 PM
 
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Sigh...there was NO negotiating on salaries when the fedgov. CHOSE to loan our money to the automakers....

The fedgov. cannot now go back and decide it is going to change the deal afterwards.

Well actually it can because the fedgov. is dictating what will occur.
Why are you having such a hard time answering a simple question?

Do you or do you not believe that UAW contracts should be honored for companies taking taxpayer funds?

1) Yes, they should be honored.

2) No, they should be renegotiated.
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Old 03-31-2009, 12:31 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Well If it had been agreed to there would be no controversy...

This is pretty simple,the fedgov. interfered and we are now seeing the unintended consequences,and the results will come back to bite us all in the butt one day.
Yes, it will surely come back and bite us one day.

But the govt does have ownerhip of those company's stock, so they SHOULD have some say in the restructuring process.
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