Universal Health Care- What Obama isn't telling you (Mexicans, health care system, crime rates)
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
And yes there is a shortage for some specialties everywhere, no matter what country it is. just like the US is going to sue all the OB's out of business.
Funny you should mention that. This happened last week at our largest hospital in the area. No more delivering babies.
maybe the employees need to complain for more choices. We have 2 choices, HMO and PPO and the PPO comes with lots of options. We have the HMO and so far, nothing has been turned down and I have a wife that is disabled. I wonder under a gov't plan if she can get her nerve stimulator replaced when the battery dies, or the intrathecal pump for that matter.
Oh, right! You have no idea of the realities of a small-medium company if you think that would change anything.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nrfitchett4
that's right. We spend more in healthcare the last 6 months of our "lives" than in the rest of it combined. "Gotta keep grandma alive a few more months, she's almost 100."
All that means it that people are sicker in their last months of life. The above is rhetoric. Most old people do not die in ICUs, hooked up to machinery. Many, many people have advance directives, and people are now asked when they go into the hospital if they want to be resusitated, etc.
Quote:
Originally Posted by KrissyK
It took 15 pages of responses to find the one person that understands the reasons healthcare costs are so high. As usual, it all goes back to personal responsibility.
Where have you been all along! The conservatives have been preaching "personal responsiblity" this whole thread, which apparently means being smart enough to pick the right parents to get the right genes, among other things.
Oh, right! You have no idea of the realities of a small-medium company if you think that would change anything.
All that means it that people are sicker in their last months of life. The above is rhetoric. Most old people do not die in ICUs, hooked up to machinery. Many, many people have advance directives, and people are now asked when they go into the hospital if they want to be resusitated, etc.
Where have you been all along! The conservatives have been preaching "personal responsiblity" this whole thread, which apparently means being smart enough to pick the right parents to get the right genes, among other things.
and apparently you don't work in healthcare, where people die of old age everyday, even with advanced directives, that are usually overturned by their relatives that hadn't seen them in 10 years.
and apparently you don't work in healthcare, where people die of old age everyday, even with advanced directives, that are usually overturned by their relatives that hadn't seen them in 10 years.
I have worked in health care for 35+ years! Both my parents died in nursing homes. My father had had a stroke, and the decision was made by all involved to give him "supportive" care, period. He was there about 6 weeks. My mom was in the NH a month to the day before she died. My father-in-law died in a hospice.
I have worked in health care for 35+ years! Both my parents died in nursing homes. My father had had a stroke, and the decision was made by all involved to give him "supportive" care, period. He was there about 6 weeks. My mom was in the NH a month to the day before she died. My father-in-law died in a hospice.
then you should know that one of the biggest problems in health care is keeping alive the "dead". I guess you are on of the view in health care who is for UHS.
then you should know that one of the biggest problems in health care is keeping alive the "dead". I guess you are on of the view in health care who is for UHS.
I thought one of the biggest concerns about UHC was that people would be denied treatment after a certain age (not that that's necessarily true).
How does losing your job due to your health = declaring bankruptcy due to hospital bills. They are not one and the same.
Maybe it is brain damage from all the smacks to the head.
What.. ??
OMG..
It's impossible to have a debate on this forum with people who refuse to look at facts and figures.. who are completely closed off to anything REAL... how can you NOT see the correlation between the two. I didn't say that everyone that looses their job will declare bankruptcy due to medicall bills.. but for anyone who loses their job when sick and then looses their insurance as a result will.
Hmm... sick.. loose job.. lose health insurance.. still sick so you need to go to the doctor but have no insurance to go..no money (loss of income due to loss of job) to pay for said medical care... get it anyway to save your life.. get the bill..but again.. have no job to pay it..
So.. to get the bill collectors off your back and to get out for the probably 100's of thousands of dollars you've racked up in health bills you will now declare bankruptcy!
Wow..you are really clueless
It's impossible to debate something with people who are living with blinders on who can't possible see, comprehend, acknowledge situations beyond their own experiences.. It requires compassion and empathy to understand circumstances and things beyond someone's "control" or "personal responsibility" to really understand the healthcare issue.
So many people think they were being "responsible" only to find out that no matter HOW responsible they were, the system is designed to work against them.. chew them and spit them out. It's amazing how , in one day, things can flip on a dime and your life can be turned upside down.. and suddenly you find yourself in with the rest of us... watch out.. life has a funny way of sneaking up on you!
You should really start looking beyond your own nose.. really really really educate yourself about healthcare in this country, it's problems and come back with ACTUAL INFORMATION rather than party line rhetoric and hyperbole..
I've made my case.. the information,numbers, statistics, real life situations etc etc.. are ALL THERe. EVERYTHING I've said, I've backed up with facts, figures and studies..
All you've done is spew party line nonsense with NOTHING to bac them up..
Last edited by TristansMommy; 04-04-2009 at 10:46 AM..
Health care is a right. That’s why you get rushed to the emergency when you get hit by a car.
Do emergency workers search your wallet to make sure you have health insurance coverage before they take to the ER? Can Doctors choose not treat you because you can't afford to pay?
Bottom line is YOU ARE ALREADY PAYING FOR OTHER PEOPLES HEALTH CARE! This needs to be repeated again and again to all the people talking about personal responsibility. Maybe you could come up with a system in which the "freeloaders" will have to contribute to the system instead of whining and complaining about the inevitable.
It all comes down to what kind of a society do you want to live in. We believe that human life sacred that’s why people do everything possible to save someone's life. If our society really worked the way some posters wanted it to work then we'd be able to watch people die without health care.
However, we already have a very expensive, inefficient and immoral form of universal healthcare. Every reasonable person in the health care industry realizes that it has serious problems. So health care reform is inevitable. The question is what type of reform is it going to be. Already drug companies and insurance companies are pushing for "reform" and they are probably going to get it unless people wake up and realize what’s going on.
I watched a Frontline report on health care and it gave the story of a young woman who died of Lupus, which is a very treatable disease, because she could not get health care. At same time she managed to rack up close to 1 million dollars in health care expenses that she could not afford. Who do you think is going to pay for that? No one is a winner.
There probably will be changes pushed by the people calling the shots (ie. health care industry) and its not going to be good as long as people keep bickering over the naive extremes of "free" health care for all vs. i won't pay for other people.
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.
Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.