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Old 04-02-2009, 11:49 AM
 
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17%. Oh, that makes it oooh so much better.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: USA - midwest
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Default "90% of guns in Mexican crimes come from U.S."??

I never did buy into that figure. It always looked very bogus to me.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:50 AM
 
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The spin of "arms from the U.S." is necesarry so Mexicans on both sides of the border have little to cry foul about as we begin to militarize the border and STFD.

Here's another statistic:

90% of Mexico is corrupt and have no respect for Americans.
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Old 04-02-2009, 11:51 AM
 
Location: Texas
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What the heck difference does it make?

How does disarming the law-abiding, obedient citizens of our society stop the Mexicans (who have had a long, rampant history of civil unrest and violent crime) from having drug wars?
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Londonderry, NH
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In most cases an armed population makes the feudal/economic/social overlords nervous. This is why Mexico has always had draconian gun laws and a heavily armed population. I suspect most of the “illegal” guns in Mexico were once owned by the Mexican army or police or were part of the Iran contra affair a couple decades ago. Firearms have an amazing longevity because once you have one you do not want to give it away or even sell it.
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:13 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Where are most guns manufactured?

Then where are they sold at?
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:26 PM
 
Location: El Paso, TX
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Even if 90% weapons in Mexico originated in the U.S., that does not negate a principle that Americans should have the right to own a gun.

We Americans should not pay the price in have a ban on firearms because another country bought the weapons from the U.S. Mexico should do their work to make sure their citizens are safe and ours to ensure we are also safe and that means that we make it easier on the government for us to have a means to defend ourselves.

You have a great day.
El Amigo
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Old 04-02-2009, 12:57 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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BTW, is there any law in the U.S. against taking a firearm out of the country?

As far as I know (please correct me if I'm wrong), the only laws against bringing a gun from the U.S. into Mexico, is enacted by Mexico, not the U.S.

It's not our problem.

May I suggest to our brethern of the southern Hispanic persuasion, that they build a fence or wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, and gin up the personnel to patrol it properly? And maybe start prosecuting effectively the people who are violating Mexican law?

I've been making these exact suggestions for years now. But this is the first time I've made them, to a government OUTSIDE the borders of the U.S.

Border problems are a bytch, eh?
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Old 02-28-2010, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Sacramento, Ca
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I would be willing to wager that a very large percentage of the firearms are AK variants, made in China.
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Old 02-28-2010, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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It's getting to be a well-established pattern. Whenever today's leftist extremists announce some "statistic" that supports their cause, check into it carefully. It usually turns out to be false.

The leftists have been working for a while on the story that the violence in Mexico is the U.S.'s fault, and that we must start banning guns from our own citizens in order to help Mexico. Of course, they've used every excuse under the sun to ban guns from law-abiding American citizens, and this is just the latest try. It seems to be the "reason behind the push to reinstate the failed "Assault Weapons Ban" - the one that didn't ban any assault weapons and made no difference in crime rates during the ten years it was in place.

Unsurprisingly, it's not true.

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The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S. - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/ - broken link)

The Myth of 90 Percent: Only a Small Fraction of Guns in Mexico Come From U.S.

While 90 percent of the guns traced to the U.S. actually originated in the United States, the percent traced to the U.S. is only about 17 percent of the total number of guns reaching Mexico.

by William La Jeunesse and Maxim Lott
FOXNews.com
Thursday, April 02, 2009

EXCLUSIVE: You've heard this shocking "fact" before -- on TV and radio, in newspapers, on the Internet and from the highest politicians in the land: 90 percent of the weapons used to commit crimes in Mexico come from the United States.

-- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said it to reporters on a flight to Mexico City.

-- CBS newsman Bob Schieffer referred to it while interviewing President Obama.

-- California Sen. Dianne Feinstein said at a Senate hearing: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."

-- William Hoover, assistant director for field operations at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, testified in the House of Representatives that "there is more than enough evidence to indicate that over 90 percent of the firearms that have either been recovered in, or interdicted in transport to Mexico, originated from various sources within the United States."

There's just one problem with the 90 percent "statistic" and it's a big one:

It's just not true.

In fact, it's not even close. By all accounts, it's probably around 17 percent.

What's true, an ATF spokeswoman told FOXNews.com, in a clarification of the statistic used by her own agency's assistant director, "is that over 90 percent of the traced firearms originate from the U.S."

But a large percentage of the guns recovered in Mexico do not get sent back to the U.S. for tracing, because it is obvious from their markings that they do not come from the U.S.

"Not every weapon seized in Mexico has a serial number on it that would make it traceable, and the U.S. effort to trace weapons really only extends to weapons that have been in the U.S. market," Matt Allen, special agent of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), told FOX News.

A Look at the Numbers

In 2007-2008, according to ATF Special Agent William Newell, Mexico submitted 11,000 guns to the ATF for tracing. Close to 6,000 were successfully traced -- and of those, 90 percent -- 5,114 to be exact, according to testimony in Congress by William Hoover -- were found to have come from the U.S.

But in those same two years, according to the Mexican government, 29,000 guns were recovered at crime scenes.

In other words, 68 percent of the guns that were recovered were never submitted for tracing. And when you weed out the roughly 6,000 guns that could not be traced from the remaining 32 percent, it means 83 percent of the guns found at crime scenes in Mexico could not be traced to the U.S.

So, if not from the U.S., where do they come from? There are a variety of sources:

-- The Black Market. Mexico is a virtual arms bazaar, with fragmentation grenades from South Korea, AK-47s from China, and shoulder-fired rocket launchers from Spain, Israel and former Soviet bloc manufacturers.


(Full text of this article can be read at the above URL)
Of course. They were just testing the waters for future gun control legislation. Luckily they found the water was full of surprisingly intelligent and very hungry sharks, so they decided to stay out of the water for the time being.
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