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Old 04-06-2009, 08:18 AM
 
Location: Chicago Suburbs
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Right now the only projected employment growth sector is "government".
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:07 AM
 
Location: Houston, Tx
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Maybe Americans should get an education in areas like science and technology.
It cracks me up that so many are pushing towards Idiocracy as a viable future.

If Americans had the skills, there's be less need for foreign workers.
Companies can hire high tech workers on H1B visas and keep them as virtual slaves because they are not allowed to change jobs to a different company than the once sponcering their H1B visa. That makes for a much more compliant worker than an American citizen who can change jobs.

Maybe more Americnas whould study schience and math if they knew there were jobs waiting for them, instead of seeing those jobs filled by forigners. It's sort of a chicken and the egg thing.
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Old 04-06-2009, 09:33 AM
 
Location: Dallas, TX
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Here in DFW we are being swamped with people from India. They go after the Tech jobs and will do them at half the price of some kid out of college. We need to stop importing cheap foreign labor.
Are you blaming the Indians, or the corporations? Would you be more specific about what you mean by cheap labor as it applies to your post?

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Maybe more Americnas whould study schience and math if they knew there were jobs waiting for them, instead of seeing those jobs filled by forigners. It's sort of a chicken and the egg thing.
It won't help. While most of it would have been true in the tech era of the 1990s that we had shortage of people, right now, the market can easily find qualified people at home. BUT, it would make little business sense, when you can go get someone else to do the job for less. I've hired many, sometimes forced to approve candidates who I didn't think were properly qualified. But to the upper management, all that mattered was head count, and the fact that they cost only 20% of their replacement here.

While the initial premise would be to hire for outsourcing, these companies also try to include business trips to those hired outside as a part of incentive. In fact, some of my colleagues were sent to "train" their replacement. Later, the policy was changed, and the foreigners were brought in for training purposes. It made no fiscal sense since it was cheaper to send one person there and train a dozen, at lower costs (accomodation, food, transportation etc), than to bring 3-4 of them over here to get trained. But those hired offshore were leaving because they weren't getting "benefits" of working for an American corporation, and quick money to go with it. It made no sense in terms of efficiency either (one person being sent to train a dozen versus 3-4 coming over to get trained and then go back and train the rest).

In the end, such cases demonstrate that these companies wanted to keep the offshore hires happier, and ask their American counterparts to go take a hike (with all the free time they will have). I led a team of about dozen, with only two here in America. That contrasts with a team I had in 2000, about half the size, all local. We had qualified people, in fact, more qualified than I ended up being forced to hire in India (often settling for less experience and on the job training over experts). A big reason to keep foreign hires happy, especially after investments in their training is high turn over rate. May be not right now, with global economy slowing down, but conditions are still much better out there.

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Old 04-06-2009, 09:44 AM
 
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Here in DFW we are being swamped with people from India. They go after the Tech jobs and will do them at half the price of some kid out of college. We need to stop importing cheap foreign labor.
Can you explain what do you know about "Cheap" Labor?

Would you consider 60K/year for someone out of college? Would you consider 125K/year for a 10yrs exp software consultant as cheap?

Do you know anything about LCA?
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Old 04-06-2009, 10:07 AM
 
Location: Charleston, SC
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We should encourage people to study things that can add real value - science, technology, efficiency, entrepreneurism... not finance, insurance and real estate.
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