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Old 04-08-2009, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Yeah..you reversed your position (which is clear in the posts that I cut and pasted and linked to) only AFTER you were called out on it's horrible tone and attitude..

Backpeddle all you want.. you stated your position on healthcare and then recinded after you were chastised for it... and NOW you say "life saving treatment".. when in the posts I SHOWED PROOF OF.. in response to my life saving treatment remark you said "NO NO HEALTHCARE".


Anyway..l you asked me to show proof where you said it.. and I did..

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Old 04-08-2009, 05:06 PM
 
Location: I currently exist only in a state of mind. one too complex for geographic location.
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the OP is laying on the sarcasm pretty thick.
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Old 04-08-2009, 05:14 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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Yeah..you reversed your position
No, there was no "reversal" whatsoever. I made an overly broad statement that expressed a too finite position. The statement about live saving medical has been consistent since I joined this board - if you were to check, you would see I'm correct.

So there is no further misunderstanding - I oppose government supported health-care for those in this country illegally with the exception of care that is necessary in the event of a life threatening situation.

I do oppose any government handouts for all other purposes for illegals including but not limited to housing, education, utilities, food, transportation. I do support the detention of those in this country illegally and their immediate deportation to their country of origin. I do not support the "Anchor Baby" entitlements and feel that either the Congress will change the Anchor Baby criteria or the courts will.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:16 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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But why would anyone have an elective surgery without insurance? Why would they ELECT to have a surgery that would stick them with a big bill they couldn't pay..

You think someone walking into a hospital for "elective" surgery and says.. "Oh , but I don't have insurance".. do you HONESTLY think they are going to give you that ELECTIVE NON LIFE THREATENING surgery unless you leave some sort of "deposit" or proof that you can pay for it..LOL.. Do you REALLY think they keep stats on people that WANT ELECTIVE surgeries but dont' get them because they hvae NO INSURANCE.

NO PERSON in their right mind would even CONSIDER elective surgery without insurance.. how the HELL would they pay for it UNLESS they had the means to pay for it out of their own pocket

INstead a better indicator is looking at all the hospital bills, bills for surgeries that were REQUIRED and LIFE THREATENING that get done, but NEVER get paid or remain unpaid or end up in bankruptcy court.
My family has no insurance and neither do most of my friends. One just had elective surgery (plastic) because he lost so much weight he had skin puddled all over. He paid for it out of pocket, made payment araigments with the hospital and payed it off over time.
There's been a couple of occasions where I've had to make payments to the hospital totaling a couple thousand dollars.
I was never denied and I know no one who has been.
The thing is while there's problems like pre-existing conditions and other issues turning the system socialist will do more harm than good.
At this point people get the treatment they need to stay alive and the safety nets out there like SCHIPS,medicaid and medicare do a pretty good job but we definately can do better, just not the change the government is talking about.
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Old 04-08-2009, 08:56 PM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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But why would anyone have an elective surgery without insurance? Why would they ELECT to have a surgery that would stick them with a big bill they couldn't pay..
Your entire post made some very WILD assumptions - not the least of which was, that someone without insurance cannot afford elective surgery (surgeries). How silly.

One, just one example of your error: Gastric Bypass / LapBand surgery is elective - insurance generally will not cover that type of surgery. Yet people are undergoing the procedure all the time. Then, after someone has lost 150 or more pounds - they want the plastic surgery to take care of loose skin - again, elective. Again, people are undergoing the procedure.

You asked a question above; Why would someone have elective surgery without insurance. I can assure you that if I did not have insurance, I would undergo the Hip Replacement surgery - and pay for it - for sure comfort - the pain relief.

Stop making such wild assumptions.
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Old 04-08-2009, 09:47 PM
 
Location: somewhere in the woods
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health care is not a right that the goverment has to provide for, it is called self responsibility. meaning it is up to you to go out and get your own and stop wanting others to pay for your lazy butt.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Just as a quick answer, he signed a bill requiring that women be paid the same amount as men doing the same job. That means a great deal to all working women.


Great! Now no one gets a raise. Do liberals ever think anything all the way through? Those working women who have men in their lives whose income they depend on will need to pony up a little more in the future. Oh, and forget about men working harder to earn a raise because it isn't happening anyway. They'll work just hard enough to squeak by.

Trickle up socialism makes everyone equally poor.
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Old 04-08-2009, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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Successful trip? Why because the other world leaders seemed happy to see him? Of course they were-they see CHUMP written all over him. What did the overseas visit accomplish? He apologized for his nation to other nations not fit to tie our shoes. He bashed us, our beliefs and mend fences??? If mending fences means you crawl and grovel to other world leaders then you are not much of a world leader. Proud of him? I am ashamed of him, as should be any self respecting US citizen. He has actually made me miss Dubya, who may not have been the sharpest tool in the shed, but you knew which way the tool was pointed-and it was not at the heart of his own nation. Only naive liberals and the equally naive media are still slithering behind the worst US president since Jimmy Carter. I do agree he has done much in his short time in office, he has shown in this time how much he prefers world opinion over that of his own citizens.
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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My family has no insurance and neither do most of my friends. One just had elective surgery (plastic) because he lost so much weight he had skin puddled all over. He paid for it out of pocket, made payment araigments with the hospital and payed it off over time.
There's been a couple of occasions where I've had to make payments to the hospital totaling a couple thousand dollars.
I was never denied and I know no one who has been.
The thing is while there's problems like pre-existing conditions and other issues turning the system socialist will do more harm than good.
At this point people get the treatment they need to stay alive and the safety nets out there like SCHIPS,medicaid and medicare do a pretty good job but we definately can do better, just not the change the government is talking about.
You don't get it..

You're friend had the money and the means to pay it back and because he did he ELECTED to have surgery.. GREAT FOR HIM> ..

SCHIP is an excellent safety net for children.

THERE ARE NO SAFETY NETS FOR THE WORKING MIDDLE CLASS WHO MAKE TOO MUCH MONEY TO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID.. TO YOUNG FOR MEDICARE. .. who have NO INSURANCE because they can't get an affordable policy due to a pre-existing condition.

Yes.. these people will get treatment.. they will NOT get regular care that would otherwise catch a condition before it gets life threatening.
THEY will end up having a bill they can not pay and will go into bankruptcy or lose everything they have!!

Medical care via bankruptcy is the ONLY safety net for people like that.

God.. you guys just don't get it. Your friend CHOSE to have SURGERY and Planned for said surgery and accuonted for it in his budget planning when he decided to have it.. similar to buying for a car. People don't plan to hav cancer and then get hit with $200K plus doctor bills they would never be able to pay off
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Old 04-09-2009, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania, USA
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Your entire post made some very WILD assumptions - not the least of which was, that someone without insurance cannot afford elective surgery (surgeries). How silly.

One, just one example of your error: Gastric Bypass / LapBand surgery is elective - insurance generally will not cover that type of surgery. Yet people are undergoing the procedure all the time. Then, after someone has lost 150 or more pounds - they want the plastic surgery to take care of loose skin - again, elective. Again, people are undergoing the procedure.

You asked a question above; Why would someone have elective surgery without insurance. I can assure you that if I did not have insurance, I would undergo the Hip Replacement surgery - and pay for it - for sure comfort - the pain relief.

Stop making such wild assumptions.

You really have problems.

I'm not talking about people who DECIDE TO HAVE ELECTIVE SURGERY and therefore BUDGET payments into their life DUH.. people who have BREAST IMPLANTS get funding for said surgery.. like a freaking loan. I didn't say EVERYONE without insurance DOESN'T have elective surgery.

I said you don't know how many decide NOT to have elective surgery becasue they can't afford it.

AND ELECTIVE SURGERY IS ELECTIVE>> A CHOICE!!!!

we're talking about PEOPLE who find themselves SICK And NEED surgery.. and expensive surgery at that and DON'T HAVE THE MEANS TO PAY FOR IT. .. NOR would they "choose" to have that surgery and are able to budget for it BECAUSE they don't have the means..

Let's say like an appendectomy.. which could easily run ovre $30K

The uninsured issue is not concerned with ELECTIVES.. it's NOT about what people WANT it's about WHAT THEY NEED.. geez.. not that hard of a concept.
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