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04-15-2009, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopo
Why is it that businesses now want a socialist (government step in and save their a...) solution to their problem with the Somali pirates?
What happened to the famous rightwing "Free market solution"
The solution is simple: "FREE MARKET"
(1) Take another route
(2) Give the pirates what they want
(3) Don't do business in that area.
Why should I have to pay with my tax money for the protection of those boats?
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Are you daft? Piracy has nothing to do with free markets or socialism. It is terrorism, and it is criminal. These pirates don't even understand the term "free market" or "socialism". They are too stupid. All they understand is "free" (as in to "steal"). These people are nothing less than your 21st Century version of the Barbary Pirates, and they should be dealt with similarly. With overwhelming force. Ships and guns. Death and destruction (theirs). That, they can understand.
All credit goes to our military for the recent victory. Secondary credit to Obama, for giving the "go ahead" to the military to do the right thing. I didn't think he had it in him.
The primary purpose of the Federal government is to provide for the common defense. Have you ever read the Constitution? That is what our military is supposed to do, and it was the Barbary Pirates that were the reason (initially) for our military. Read some history. Learn.
This is not an abuse of your tax money (but the "bailouts" are). |
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04-15-2009, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
are you daft? Piracy has nothing to do with free markets or socialism. It is terrorism, and it is criminal. These pirates don't even understand the term "free market" or "socialism". They are too stupid. All they understand is "free" (as in to "steal"). These people are nothing less than your 21st century version of the barbary pirates, and they should be dealt with similarly. With overwhelming force. Ships and guns. Death and destruction (theirs). That, they can understand.
All credit goes to our military for the recent victory. Secondary credit to obama, for giving the "go ahead" to the military to do the right thing. I didn't think he had it in him.
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it was unecessary....there werent gonna kill him, they may kill hostages now since what happen a few days ago |
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04-15-2009, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopo
Your argument doesn't make sense,
you are gonna compare a person in the city where he/she lives to a cargo ship in international waters on the other side of the World. 
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It was a US VESSEL! You may not realize it, but a US Vessel, no matter where in the world it is, is the same as the U.S.! The pirates attacked the U.S. for all practical purposes.
I think you have a lot to learn. |
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04-15-2009, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GOPATTA2D
I agree. Lets get rid of the police while we're at it. Why should my tax money go to protect everybody else? If you don't want to get robbed, move into a gated community with private security like me.
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This is ridiculous. Do you not understand that they attacked a US Vessel? That is the same as attacking the US. The Navy is there to maintain the security on the high seas. That is their job. Are we to just shrug this off and say, "Oh, well, we can't do anything, these are private vessels"? No. They are US vessels. And the high seas must remain open for free trade. That is one reason we have a Navy. Read about the Barbary Pirates, and what we did to solve that problem. It's the same thing all over again
Man! What has happened to education in this country? Are people really as ignorant as I think they are? |
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04-15-2009, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by harborlady
This is utter fallacy. These are individual criminals not sanctioned by the government, however, that government is not responsible for it's own controls. A criminal who happens to be from turkey coming at me on open seas doesn't require national guard to come out to defend me. I'll rid myself of him directly TYVM.
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Good luck. It's why we have a Navy. |
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04-15-2009, 05:18 PM
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Location: Chicago
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Originally Posted by Dopo
Why is it that businesses now want a socialist (government step in and save their a...) solution to their problem with the Somali pirates?
What happened to the famous rightwing "Free market solution"
The solution is simple: "FREE MARKET"
(1) Take another route
(2) Give the pirates what they want
(3) Don't do business in that area.
Why should I have to pay with my tax money for the protection of those boats?
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Uhm... even the most ardent free-market advocates acknowledge that defense is a core government function. Free-market does not mean anarchy, and never has. I hope that answers your question. |
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04-15-2009, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
It was a US VESSEL! You may not realize it, but a US Vessel, no matter where in the world it is, is the same as the U.S.! The pirates attacked the U.S. for all practical purposes.
I think you have a lot to learn.
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when israel attack a US vessel that was okay |
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04-15-2009, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by nononsenseguy
Are you daft? Piracy has nothing to do with free markets or socialism. It is terrorism, and it is criminal. These pirates don't even understand the term "free market" or "socialism". They are too stupid. All they understand is "free" (as in to "steal"). These people are nothing less than your 21st Century version of the Barbary Pirates, and they should be dealt with similarly. With overwhelming force. Ships and guns. Death and destruction (theirs). That, they can understand.
All credit goes to our military for the recent victory. Secondary credit to Obama, for giving the "go ahead" to the military to do the right thing. I didn't think he had it in him.
The primary purpose of the Federal government is to provide for the common defense. Have you ever read the Constitution? That is what our military is supposed to do, and it was the Barbary Pirates that were the reason (initially) for our military. Read some history. Learn.
This is not an abuse of your tax money (but the "bailouts" are).
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Not everyone shares your brand of genius and expertise on foriegn policy, which I'm quite grateful for personally. Would your state border canada, I'm sure we'd be dragged into war with them by now considering your back water justice mentality.
Try reading mcmaster steves link? Reading is fundamental. Europeans (and whomever else is dumping nuclear waste) have not been innocents here. Whatever delusions of grandeur you've been fed these past 30 yrs, the full force and might of US military is not obliged to chase down any ordinary citizen or corporation DBA wherever they may roam. You leave our airspace and waters, it's a whole other jurisdiction. Fact, not fantasy. Snap out of it. |
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04-15-2009, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dopo
Why is it that businesses now want a socialist (government step in and save their a...) solution to their problem with the Somali pirates?
What happened to the famous rightwing "Free market solution"
The solution is simple: "FREE MARKET"
(1) Take another route
(2) Give the pirates what they want
(3) Don't do business in that area.
Why should I have to pay with my tax money for the protection of those boats?
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This is what is called a strawman.
You see, most free market advocates, be they libertarians, classical liberals, pro-market conservatives, and so on believe that the military and police are legitimate functions of government. Not saying that people can't protect themselves or their country if need be, but most would still agree that protecting the citizens of a country from criminals and hostile powers are a-okay.
You have taken a free market position and applied it to a case where the vast majority of supporters believe that the government is legitimate in intervening and you have phrased it in the most stupid way possible. You have done this because demolishing a phony position is much easier than trying to take a part the real one. |
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04-15-2009, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by harborlady
NVplumb, seems like a no brainer to me. I feel your pain. Plan B is just as dopo described... don't go there. It's lawless territory that the somali gov't itself is unwilling to control. I'm not willing to send my brothers in arms to be the sheriff of every port on the planet. How nuts is that??? This is like the liberal version of imperialism.
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Haven't most nations used their navies to fight pirates on the open seas since pretty much forever?
I think it is a perfectly legitimate use of force. |
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