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Old 04-09-2009, 11:46 PM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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Ignorance. That is why you fail:

http://www.sandiego.gov/environmenta...%20english.pdf

Refuse Disposal Fees | Environmental Services (http://www.sandiego.gov/environmental-services/miramar/fees.shtml - broken link)

http://www.sandiego.gov/environmenta...arge_flier.pdf

http://www.sandiego.gov/environmenta...cbtenglish.pdf

The cost of trash service is covered in the enormous rates charged at the dump. To add insult, it looks like you will soon pay even more:

Fees for San Diego Garbage Collection Recommended - San Diego 6 (http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/story/Fees-for-San-Diego-Garbage-Collection-Recommended/GwtaXaRwuUOsZX22TMhBEg.cspx - broken link)
That is a proposal being made by the city's Republican mayor but it hasn't passed yet. It isn't likely to pass either since it would mean the city's charter would have to be amended because right now it is specifically outlawed and has been since 1903.

Ignorance? Yes, that describes your posts completely.
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Old 04-09-2009, 11:57 PM
 
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That is a proposal being made by the city's Republican mayor but it hasn't passed yet. It isn't likely to pass either since it would mean the city's charter would have to be amended because right now it is specifically outlawed and has been since 1903.

Ignorance? Yes, that describes your posts completely.
I wonder how much californias fiscal problems can be attributed directly to enron scandal, since the hemmorhage wasn't just the actual losses, but the interest due on the losses compounding over time. I've not been able to find that math.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:03 AM
 
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That is a proposal being made by the city's Republican mayor but it hasn't passed yet. It isn't likely to pass either since it would mean the city's charter would have to be amended because right now it is specifically outlawed and has been since 1903.

Ignorance? Yes, that describes your posts completely.
And the existing fees? $30 to take a load of trash to the dump? I stated that the dump in SD is funded by user fees at the landfill. Business owners pay huge fees. Who do they pass the cost to? You!

In NM I can go to the landfill for $3.50. You pay $30 for a pickup truck load. What you think is free is not. That is why you fail.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:04 AM
 
Location: Southern California Mountains
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Ignorance? Yes, that describes your posts completely.
What do you drive? What were your DMV renewal fees before April 1, 2009? What are they now? Like it? If you utilize public transportation, I understand you being unaware of the increases, so please excuse me if this is the case.

Sales taxes increased. Isn't this fun? Some districts are in excess of 10%. I believe seven states don't even have sales taxes.

Do you actually work and pay personal state income tax? Just in time for the recession, as seen on TV...welcome to an increase! Yay!

If you want to open a retail business off the Hwy. 371 in Riverside County, for example, you will pay $10,000 in fees to the county...before you apply for permits to build, fix or demolish.

Oh, building permits! My neighbor paid $13,000 in building permits and fees to build his 1400 square foot hovel. Cool!

For some reason, we have the worst schools, highest paid teachers, and worst climate for small business in the nation.

Please explain.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:09 AM
 
Location: galaxy far far away
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Let's throw some facts on their lame talking points shall we? Here is a list of the average tax rate for all 50 states plus DC, you'll notice that California is #20 on the list with an average tax rate of 10.3% which is very close to the nation wide average of 10.1%. Gee, it looks like yet another right wing myth has been exposed.

CNNMoney.com: Taxes by state 2005, by rate
That's not the taxes people are talking about - it says: "average taxpayer's total state and local tax burden for 2005 in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia. That burden reflects what residents pay in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others."

-- it's the tax on business, the tax on tourism, the tax on property, the tax on out of state businesses doing one or two business deals in the state, the tax on vehicles, the tax on... the tax on... the tax on... AND - the taxes you are quoting are from 4 years ago. As of 2008, California rose to be ranked #11 and has an average residential tax rate of 10.5% See attached.
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File Type: pdf tax_burden_2008.pdf (102.4 KB, 155 views)
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:15 AM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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Let's throw some facts on their lame talking points shall we? Here is a list of the average tax rate for all 50 states plus DC, you'll notice that California is #20 on the list with an average tax rate of 10.3% which is very close to the nation wide average of 10.1%. Gee, it looks like yet another right wing myth has been exposed.

CNNMoney.com: Taxes by state 2005, by rate
If I read correctly, those are income taxes. You can correct me if I am wrong, but there are a lot of other taxes that are not part of income taxes. I can list a couple I can recall at the moment, and perhaps some Californians can add to these:

1. Property tax
2. Gasoline tax
3. Natural gas and propane taxes for using at your home
4. Taxes for sports items
5. School taxes
6. Licensing (for any license you can think about)
7. Vehicle registration
8. Telephone taxes (you can see them on your phone bill)
9. Taxes on your cable, Internet, etc. bills
10. Water, sewage, etc. (found on your utilities bills)
11. More taxes on your electric bill
12. Liquor taxes
13. Local taxes on any sales transaction such as selling a house, a vehicle...
14. Local sales taxes
15. Death taxes

Some other taxes here:
http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

Where does your State ranks?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...-by-state.aspx

Last edited by RayinAK; 04-10-2009 at 12:23 AM..
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Illinois Delta
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That's not the taxes people are talking about - it says: "average taxpayer's total state and local tax burden for 2005 in each of the 50 states and the District of Columbia. That burden reflects what residents pay in state and local income taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, luxury taxes and fuel taxes, among others."

-- it's the tax on business, the tax on tourism, the tax on property, the tax on out of state businesses doing one or two business deals in the state, the tax on vehicles, the tax on... the tax on... the tax on... AND - the taxes you are quoting are from 4 years ago. As of 2008, California rose to be ranked #11 and has an average residential tax rate of 10.5% See attached.

Gov. Schwarzenegger Discusses California’s Economic Outlook in Inland Empire - Press Release by Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger


It appears that California's Governor Schwarzenegger is ready and willing to
use federal assistance to try to lower the tax burden. They will also be among the first to use economic stimulus money for education: $625 million. Read this and other articles at the site; California is already receiving money from the economic stimulus package. I suppose this makes
poor Arnold a RINO; it seems like only yesterday that there was talk in the GOP about changing the requirement of being born an American citizen so
that he could run for POTUS.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:35 AM
 
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If I read correctly, those are income taxes. You can correct me if I am wrong, but there are a lot of other taxes that are not part of income taxes. I can list a couple I can recall at the moment, and perhaps some Californians can add to these:

1. Property tax
2. Gasoline tax
3. Natural gas and propane taxes for using at your home
4. Taxes for sports items
5. School taxes
6. Licensing (for any license you can think about)
7. Vehicle registration
8. Telephone taxes (you can see them on your phone bill)
9. Taxes on your cable, Internet, etc. bills
10. Water, sewage, etc. (found on your utilities bills)
11. More taxes on your electric bill
12. Liquor taxes
13. Local taxes on any sales transaction such as selling a house, a vehicle...
14. Local sales taxes
15. Death taxes

Some other taxes here:
http://www.retirementliving.com/RLtaxes.html

Where does your State ranks?
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com...-by-state.aspx
Ray I have NO idea how alaskans can tolerate such an oppressive socialist beer tax. No wonder you're so cranky all the time.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Way on the outskirts of LA LA land.
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I posted this because I remember several threads a couple of months ago (when the Republicans were blocking the passage of the state's budget) claiming that taxes were just so high in California it was destroying business. It turns out, as usual, the right wingers were lying as California's tax rate is almost exactly at the national average.
The link you posted showed personal tax rates, not business tax rates. California's tax rates for businesses are much higher than those of other nearby states, such as Nevada. Not too long ago, Nevada was actively courting businesses from California because of lower cost of living for employees (and hence, lower wages), and because of tax incentives and tax savings that were being passed on to those businesses.
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Old 04-10-2009, 12:41 AM
 
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The link you posted showed personal tax rates, not business tax rates. California's tax rates for businesses are much higher than those of other nearby states, such as Nevada. Not too long ago, Nevada was actively courting businesses from California because of lower cost of living for employees (and hence, lower wages), and because of tax incentives and tax savings that were being passed on to those businesses.
He is ignorant and a Democrat. Don't be too hard on him, he has two strikes against him already.
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