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Old 04-14-2009, 10:35 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Goofy stuff, but no goofier than calling Obama a Socialist, and not nearly as goofy as calling him a Neocon or a Fascist.
Ah, so the incorporation of a civilian work force is not fascist? How about bailing out the Wall St. boyz? Fascism isn't just defined by a swastika.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Harrisonville
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Ah, so the incorporation of a civilian work force is not fascist? How about bailing out the Wall St. boyz? Fascism isn't just defined by a swastika.

Let me just make sure I'm being clear. Equating fascism with socialism=illiteracy.

No a civilian workforce is not fascist. We had one in the 1930's under the most liberal President the country ever had. "Bailing out the Wall Street Boys" is closer. Other Presidents a have done this before. I'm not sure its ever a good idea. I'm not convinced by people who want to claim recessions/depressions follow some kind of pattern.

No Obama is not a Socialist. The people who like to say that about him say it about anyone to the Left of Hitler.

I know Fascism doesn't require a swastika. The fascists in Italy and Spain did quite well without them in the 1930's-40's, as did the fascists in America who wanted us to go in the war on their side.

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Old 04-14-2009, 11:43 AM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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W screwed this country to the wall with Homeland Security and the Patriot Act, and I never cease to be amazed at how many damn fools there are who supported him and continue to support having their rights abridged.
Supported by the Democrats,including Obama who voted FOR renewing the PATRIOT Act....

So were you opposed to the act but now support it???
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:44 AM
 
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Supported by the Democrats,including Obama who voted FOR renewing the PATRIOT Act....

So were you opposed to the act but now support it???
Obama is really no different than Bush. How sad.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:50 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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Fascism entails socialism. The two are certainly not mutually exclusive.

Hitler used socialism to gain power, speaking for "the common man" before doing a 180 and aggregating power to the elite corporations.
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Old 04-14-2009, 11:58 AM
 
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Well then there are a growing number of right wing expremeist including very plice offficer that bought a gun for duty purposes.In fact that have more chance of controlling illegal drugs than they do of guns in this country.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Washington DC
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I'm a liberal and you can close down Homeland Security any day you like. Transfer the Coast Guard back to Transportation.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:11 PM
 
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Ain't liberal America grand! Honestly when I first read that I thought it was a spoof. BUT I guess the liberals really do hate America and Americans.
What does the document have to do with liberal America? This sort of document is produced every year... usually by the FBI... sometimes government intrusion does not have a party but so long as folks like you stick to partisan attacks, the people you support can get away with anything... just like Bush did.
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Old 04-14-2009, 12:14 PM
 
Location: North Cackelacky....in the hills.
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Obama is President now,CONgress is Democrat controlled....

Yet here we see what is thought of Americans....

Guess Obama is just a tanner version of Bush.
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Old 04-14-2009, 01:43 PM
 
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The fire continues to burn!

American Legion National Commander David K. Rehbein sent Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano a letter of protest concerning a recent report by the Department of Homeland Security which suggested veterans were more likely to commit terrorist acts than nonveterans. The letter is below.




Secretary Janet Napolitano
Department of Homeland Security
U.S. Department of Homeland Security
Washington, DC 20528



April 13, 2009


Dear Secretary Napolitano,

On behalf of the 2.6 million-member American Legion, I am stating my concern about your April 7 report, "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence and Recruitment."

First, I want to assure you that The American Legion has long shared your concern about white supremacist and anti-government groups. In 1923, when the Ku Klux Klan still yielded unspeakable influence in this country, The American Legion passed Resolution 407. It resolved, in part, "...we consider any individual, group of individuals or organizations, which creates, or fosters racial, religious or class strife among our people, or which takes into their own hands the enforcement of law, determination of guilt, or infliction of punishment, to be un-American, a menace to our liberties, and destructive to our fundamental law..."

The best that I can say about your recent report is that it is incomplete. The report states, without any statistical evidence, "The possible passage of new restrictions on firearms and the return of military veterans facing significant challenges reintegrating into their communities could lead to the potential emergence of terrorist groups or lone wolf extremists capable of carrying out violent attacks."

The American Legion is well aware and horrified at the pain inflicted during the Oklahoma City bombing, but Timothy McVeigh was only one of more than 42 million veterans who have worn this nation's uniform during wartime. To continue to use McVeigh as an example of the stereotypical "disgruntled military veteran" is as unfair as using Osama bin Laden as the sole example of Islam.


Your report states that "Rightwing extremists were concerned during the 1990s with the perception that illegal immigrants were taking away American jobs through their willingness to work at significantly lower wages." Secretary Napolitano, this is more than a perception to those who have lost their job. Would you categorize union members as "Right Wing extremists"?

In spite of this incomplete, and, I fear, politically-biased report, The American Legion and the Department of Homeland Security share many common and crucial interests, such as the Citizen Corps and disaster preparedness. Since you are a graduate of New Mexico Girls State, I trust that you are very familiar with The American Legion. I would be happy to meet with you at a time of mutual convenience to discuss issues such as border security and the war on terrorism. I think it is important for all of us to remember that Americans are not the enemy. The terrorists are.



Sincerely,

David K. Rehbein
National Commander
The American Legion

http://ourvoice.legion.org/story/1543/legion-dhs-americans-are-not-enemy
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