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Old 04-15-2009, 10:38 AM
 
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There is a concerted effort, it appears, among some on the Obama national security team to stop the release of the memos drafted by the Bush administration legal team that authorized specific torture techniques, such as waterboarding, prolonged standing, freezing, beatings, nudity, sleep deprivation, etc.

Should Obama stand fast in not allowing these memos to be released for fear of further damaging the US' reputation, compromising national security, fostering more distractions, etc. or should he just release them so we can begin to put this issue behind us?

I'm sort of on the fence on this... the Red Cross report is already out and it details exactly how the US tortured folks at Guantanamo... so dunno if more is needed... but then again, the lawyers that drafted these memos to give Bush/Cheney cover should be held accountable. Thoughts?
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:42 AM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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There is a concerted effort, it appears, among some on the Obama national security team to stop the release of the memos drafted by the Bush administration legal team that authorized specific torture techniques, such as waterboarding, prolonged standing, freezing, beatings, nudity, sleep deprivation, etc.

Should Obama stand fast in not allowing these memos to be released for fear of further damaging the US' reputation, compromising national security, fostering more distractions, etc. or should he just release them so we can begin to put this issue behind us?

I'm sort of on the fence on this... the Red Cross report is already out and it details exactly how the US tortured folks at Guantanamo... so dunno if more is needed... but then again, the lawyers that drafted these memos to give Bush/Cheney cover should be held accountable. Thoughts?
Of course he will release it-Obama has zero national pride. He thinks it will make him look good, and after all, his overwhelming sense of self entitlement means that he will actively look for reasons to put down our country to boost his image with Amrica hating nations...
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:45 AM
 
Location: NJ/NY
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Of course he will release it-Obama has zero national pride. He thinks it will make him look good, and after all, his overwhelming sense of self entitlement means that he will actively look for reasons to put down our country to boost his image with Amrica hating nations...
So you are ashamed of what happened during the torture sessions then?

Hiding what happened would mean he had more national pride?
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:51 AM
 
Location: South Fla
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No I dont think it should be released.

Those wanting it to be released to prove to them someone was tortured is going to help us how?

IF we did or if it would.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:54 AM
 
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Obama would be treading on VERY thin ice to make the memo's public.

Even liberals should be able to understand hindsight is always 20/20.

Even liberals should be able to understand that Obama has no idea what type of terrorist attacks may happen INSIDE this country under his watch.

Even liberals should be able to understand that Obama should be able to act as he sees fit to keep our country safe.

Even liberals should be able to understand that making those memo's public sets a very bad precedent. A precedent that may come back to bite Obama in the ass should he have to take drastic measures to keep the country safe....unless of course he want's his dirty laundry aired as well.

Very thin ice...
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:54 AM
 
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Of course he will release it-Obama has zero national pride. He thinks it will make him look good, and after all, his overwhelming sense of self entitlement means that he will actively look for reasons to put down our country to boost his image with Amrica hating nations...
So you disagree with the Bush tactics but that the memos should be sealed?
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Southern NH
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It would help as people throw around the "torture" word very easily. To me, a beating is torture but sleep deprivation is not...
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:56 AM
 
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Obama would be treading on VERY thin ice to make the memo's public.

Even liberals should be able to understand hindsight is always 20/20.

Even liberals should be able to understand that Obama has no idea what type of terrorist attacks may happen INSIDE this country under his watch.

Even liberals should be able to understand that Obama should be able to act as he sees fit to keep our country safe.

Even liberals should be able to understand that making those memo's public sets a very bad precedent. A precedent that may come back to bte Obama in the ass should he have to take drastic measures to keep the country safe....unless of course he want's his dirty laundry aired as well.

Very thin ice...
I don't think his supporters think he can break the law to keep the country safe... the question is what is the utility of releasing the memos.
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:57 AM
 
Location: Raleigh, NC
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As a Ron Paul conservative, I believe he should release the memos.

Count on a neo-con puppet like Obama to make up a silly excuse to not do so, however. Just like wiretapping...

Hopeychange!
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Old 04-15-2009, 10:57 AM
 
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It would help as people throw around the "torture" word very easily. To me, a beating is torture but sleep deprivation is not...
That's an interesting perspective... people can make up their minds about whether what Bush authorized was torture or not.

BTW, I would much rather be beatened than sleep deprived... the latter can drive you insane...
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