Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union (Ron Paul, interview, poll)

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by happ

It's not an enticement but merely a recognition that all these people need the basics of care [schooling\ medical treatment\ housing]. Otherwise it would be chaos & a danger for others. That's why giving driver licenses to the undocumented helps all Californians [including insurance coverage]. Once the immigrant is here it is the federal government's duty to take care of the situation. Yes, we do provide services other state's don't but only because the federal government under Bush did nothing. President Obama will finally resolve this huge problem.

No. State and local governments have a right to enact (and enforce) their own laws to deal with illegal immigration as well.

They may need the basics of care (schooling, medical treatment, housing, etc.) so the point is, don't provide it and they will go home. Impose huge fines on those who are hiring them, renting to them, etc. They will be forced to self-deport.

Texas provides schooling but not housing and generally does not provide medical treatment to them and things are certainly not "chaos and a danger to others" here.

They need to be sent HOME. Period.

[rdfw]

This rasmussen survey just completed says 75% of Texans don't want to secede. 31% say TX has the right, 18% want to leave.
Rasmussen Reports™: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/states_general/texas/in_texas_31_say_state_has_right_to_secede_from_u_s _but_75_opt_to_stay - broken link)

[oz in SC]

Originally Posted by boiseguy

boise is lovely..Most isolated large metro(500K+) in the lower 48! ... I moved here from seattle in 2005...and I certainly wouldn't ever go back.. and that's coming from a gay man.... so on that note....
what are you trying to say? Idaho isn't coming out with outlandish claims of seperating from the union... Only a place like texas would think so highly of itself... so I say... have at it.... bye bye

Actually Idaho is making noises about state sovereignty....

Boise, Idaho News, Weather and Traffic - KTRV Fox 12 - Idaho Senate tells feds to back off (http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=10144156 - broken link)

[arctichomesteader]

Originally Posted by happ

Texas wasn't the only state that was a separate republic although at the moment I can think of only one other state, California [does anyone know if other states were established separate governments besides Texas & California before being invaded by America?

Having pride in one's state is important unless you live in a ****ty state I've always admired that about Texans but not when it comes to doing stupid things [ie. fighting for "creationism" in public schools]. Unfortunately, Texas has the reputation of being a "cowboy" state of John Wayne's bravery but Bush's idiocy It's true.

Vermont.

[Lakewooder]

Originally Posted by afoigrokerkok

This is true - but certain parts of inner city Dallas are terrible. The main point I was stressing was income. Suburbs are still OVERALL wealthier than inner city....although there are parts of the center city that are certainly not "slums."

As far as the portion of your post regarding Dallas officials, I'm not even going to begin to touch on it.

No, the truly wealthy live in Dallas, not the suburbs where incomes may be moderately high but they spend all their money on showing-off. The Preston Hollow area is more wealthy than the Park Cities - which are also in 'the inner city'. Oak Lawn/Turtle Creek/Uptown with Ritz Carlton and other high rise condos are very wealthy and my area, Lakewood in East Dallas, is known for its old money.
Best-known examples are the H.L. Hunt estate on White Rock Lake and Stanley Marcus home on Nonesuch. H.L. Hunt was the richest man in the world when he died and Stanley Marcus, who wrote "Quest for the Best" was head of Neiman-Marcus.

Dallas does have some slum areas but a lot of the older inner-ring suburbs have them too. Even the white-flight haven of the 1970s and 80s and proto-typical suburb Plano is now majority - minority in its school system.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by happ

I agree with you more than you know but I also know that these lame ideas of rounding up millions of people to send them back to Mexico is never going to happen. Period. Now get beyond your emotion & think about how we can control the border so that more immigrants can not gain entry. That has to be the first task.

In Arizona, we are attacking the Illegal Immigration problem on multiple fronts - and other states are now following our lead:

1) Employer Sanction Law: We are going after the business license of any employer who knowingly hires illegal immigrants

2) No state funded welfare of any kind: No education, housing, health care (except in cases of life threatening issues), no food, NADA benefits to those here illegally

3) Local law enforcement who are sworn federal officers are inquiring as to residency status during their shifts - illegals are being detained, processed and turned over to ICE and deported.

[afoigrokerkok]

Originally Posted by Lakewooder

No, the truly wealthy live in Dallas, not the suburbs where incomes may be moderately high but they spend all their money on showing-off. The Preston Hollow area is more wealthy than the Park Cities - which are also in 'the inner city'. Oak Lawn/Turtle Creek/Uptown with Ritz Carlton and other high rise condos are very wealthy and my area, Lakewood in East Dallas, is known for its old money.
Best-known examples are the H.L. Hunt estate on White Rock Lake and Stanley Marcus home on Nonesuch. H.L. Hunt was the richest man in the world when he died and Stanley Marcus, who wrote "Quest for the Best" was head of Neiman-Marcus.

Dallas does have some slum areas but a lot of the older inner-ring suburbs have them too. Even the white-flight haven of the 1970s and 80s and proto-typical suburb Plano is now majority - minority in its school system.

True as far as Preston Hollow, Oak Lawn, Turtle Creek, Lakewood, etc.

Oak Cliff, however, is still pretty shady, along with many other areas.

The inner-ring suburbs such as Garland, Richardson to a lesser extent, Irving, etc. (and more so the suburbs to the south like Lancaster, DeSoto) do have some poorer sections. The suburbs to the north though, especially in Collin County, are overall far wealthier than the City of Dallas is.

Plano schools may be becoming more minority, but the City of Plano is still predominately white. Even the members of the minority groups there are predominately upper middle class or higher income. They are wealthier Hispanics (but very few black). Plano has a large Asian population as well and Asians are actually overall wealthier than whites.

[LML]

I was talking to a very close friend, who happens to be Native American. She said she is all for tougher immigration laws and sending people back to their native lands. She just wants to make it effective 1420 AD.

[MAUREEN AND PAUL WORHACH]

Originally Posted by Greatday

AUSTIN, Texas -- Texas Gov. Rick Perry fired up an anti-tax "tea party" with his stance against the federal government and for states' rights. Perry told the Austin crowd Wednesday that officials in Washington have abandoned the country's founding principals. During his speech to hundreds in a U.S. flag-waving crowd, there were several shouts of "Secede!"

Perry suggested Texans might at some point get so fed up they would want to secede from the union.

Governor Says Texans May Want to Secede From Union But Probably Won't - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

I am new on computer...and much do not understand!! But I do well understand what is happening to our Country!!! Had layover in Houston, Bush Interantional Airport on April first!!! PA came over..loud and clear: "anyone who makes "inappropriate" jokes or remarks, will be "ARRESTED!!!!" This, of course, blew, what remains of The First Amendment out of the water!!! Hopefully Governor Perry will "visit" this airport in Houston...and, "HEAR" what is being announced in his state!! thank you and GOD BLESS! MAUREEN AND PAUL WORHACH

[Rachael84]

Originally Posted by Brewzerr68

The funny thing is, TANaples lives in an even more southern state than Texas! Closed-minded? More like NO-minded.

She has lived all over the place and visited all over. Don't even begin to put someone down who is a lot more cultured than someone who probably hasn't left Texas.