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[burdell]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Why is it the gov't responsibility to take care of people? Why not people's familys, friends, churches. That's how it use to be, are we really better off now? No. People are mostly generous and benevolent. I know at my work if someone has an illness we jump right in and do what we can. Friends, neighbors, family. It also gives people a good feeling to help others. Not resentment like people feel with taxes.

Do you really not trust your fellow citizens to help each other? Why the govt?

But you haven't answered why have a government? If you say defense then in reality you are saying it should take care of the people in certain ways, the point of argument is the what ways?

[burdell]

Originally Posted by Amaznjohn

The government should treat everyone the same by protecting everyone's property rights, without regard for race, sex, political affiliation, sexual orientation, national origin.

Should treat everyone the same? That's already not true.

The government funds highway construction, benefits those who own cars a lot more than those who don't. The government funds various parts of the aviation environment, a lot more benefit to those who fly than those who don't.

If you're truly against the government helping our own do you live the talk? Do you not drive on government funded roads? Do you not fly because there'd be government funded facilities along the way? Or is it OK if it's helping you but otherwise a bad idea?

[spunky1]

Defend-as in "guard".

Secure the National Defense. not the individual. . . secure the nation.

Socialism doesn't work

[burdell]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Defend-as in "guard".

Secure the National Defense. not the individual. . . secure the nation.

Socialism doesn't work

Then you oppose the Constitution? After all, one of its stated purposes is to "promote the general welfare"

And we already do things for the individual, I have a pilot's license, it was issued to me at no cost by the Federal government. And sadly they're not going to let me fly an F-16 to contribute to defense.

[greatbasinguide]

Socialism does work, look at the military, completely socialist.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by spunky1

Defend-as in "guard".

Secure the National Defense. not the individual. . . secure the nation.

Socialism doesn't work

Is "guard" also a euphemism for invading a country that has not attacked you but possibly, maybe, might in the future?

[Amaznjohn]

Originally Posted by burdell

Should treat everyone the same? That's already not true.

The government funds highway construction, benefits those who own cars a lot more than those who don't. The government funds various parts of the aviation environment, a lot more benefit to those who fly than those who don't.

If you're truly against the government helping our own do you live the talk? Do you not drive on government funded roads? Do you not fly because there'd be government funded facilities along the way? Or is it OK if it's helping you but otherwise a bad idea?

I'm not defending the current govenment. I'm stating my beliefs of what government responsibilities should be. I do take advantage of these government services,

1. Because I'm a taxpayer and have helped fund them.
2. Because there is no alternative.

My utilizing these services does not imply that I support their funding, nor does it prevent me from advocating a more efficient manner of providing these services.

Did you accept the Bush tax cuts or did you take the money you saved and sent it back to the Federal government to help pay for welfare programs?

[rescue1]

Originally Posted by burdell

So the government shouldn't take care of the people?

Is not that bastion of the conservative side, defense, taking care of the people?

And if as you say "each should take care of there(sic) own" then why are people so content to send billions of unaccounted for $ to other countries and not take care of things here?

Do you follow that policy here? Do you send a blank check across town for strangers to clothe their children while your own run naked? Do you run to another state to feed strangers while leaving your own children to fend for themselves?

Just why do you think government exists?

What part of--------I think each should take care of there own-----do you not understand????? Oh and yes I do not think we should support the rest of the world.


If you're truly against the government helping our own do you live the talk? Do you not drive on government funded roads? Gas tax well pays for the roads and I pay way too much gas tax.

as for--------Socialism does work, look at the military, completely socialist.
what the he----ll are you talking about.

[fishmonger]

economically libertarian societies throughout history and they generally haven't been particularly great places to live... see late 19th Century, early 20th Century America, for instance. It's too easy for big business to monopolize/oligopolize and exploit and too hard for workers to bargain for better wages when unions are nearly non-existent and there aren't a lot of companies out there competing for the same type of labor. Not to mention that a pure capitalist system falls far short of being a real meritocracy... there will always be plenty of good poor people and bad rich people.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by rescue1

What part of--------I think each should take care of there own-----do you not understand????? Oh and yes I do not think we should support the rest of the world.

What I do understand is that's just not a practical way of life.

If we accept "each should take care of their own" then it would follow schools should be closed and every child home-schooled, let the people who have children take care of their own. Sounds good to me, an awfully large part of my property taxes go to the school system. Let's shut down the CDC, afraid of an epidemic? TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN!

That's what you're proposing.