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Old 04-16-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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And that is a relative term. How do you know how many lives were saved by torturing a murderer to get info on the next attack?
Not the point. The United States does not torture. Period. And the legal justifications the Bush administration's lawyers used to rationalize it is disgusting...and yes, quite possibly illegal.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:47 PM
 
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BTW, Spain is bringing war crimes charges against members of the Bush administration. They might want to reconsider any European vacations

No they aren't.

Spanish AG: No torture probe of US officials (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/eu_spain_us_torture;_ylt=AootaQjCmya9r6BViZiMWG2s0 NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTI5ZzFpMGxlBGFzc2V0A2FwLzIwMDkwNDE2L 3RvcnR1cmVfbWVtb3MEY3BvcwMyBHBvcwM5BHNlYwN5bl90b3B fc3RvcnkEc2xrA3JlbGF0ZWQ - broken link)-

And who cares? It's not enforceable. It's quite laughable and meaningless. Nothing but a paper indictment.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:48 PM
 
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Keep munching on those sour grapes.
Keep voting for criminals and getting the shaft.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:49 PM
 
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Keep voting for criminals and getting the shaft.
Worry about your city, we'll worry about ours.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:50 PM
 
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Not the point. The United States does not torture. Period. And the legal justifications the Bush administration's lawyers used to rationalize it is disgusting...and yes, quite possibly illegal.
You can bet your arse you wouldn't mind if the information received through torture saved you and/or your family from harm. Perhaps it already has.
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Old 04-16-2009, 04:51 PM
 
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Worry about your city, we'll worry about ours.

When your city produces politicians that vote on national issues, I will indeed worry about your city.
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:16 PM
 
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They should then release the information gained during these "torturings" and we will really see if people are so for/against it.
They already did... they were led on wild goose chases... it turns out that you will say anything when you are being tortured... also, no ticking time bomb scenarios... just torture being used as regular interrogation. Pretty incredible that a supposed Christian would authorize this (Bush, that is).
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:18 PM
 
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From what I understand, prisoners are STILL being tortured under the Obama Adminstration. Maybe we need to see those papers as well....Hmmm. Fat chance.
Links? Anything to back that up?
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:20 PM
 
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No suprise there..anything to put the US in a bad light, and Obama is all for it...
Releasing the memos puts the US in a bad light... but not the actual torture that the memos authorized?
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Old 04-16-2009, 05:32 PM
 
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Links? Anything to back that up?
World News Australia - Gitmo detainees 'abused under Obama''
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