U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 04-18-2009, 03:42 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
14,268 posts, read 18,545,106 times
Reputation: 7976

Advertisements

It is only a bad strategy if we plan to use torture in the future. Here is a quote from the transcript.

" It's a strategic mistake on the part of the president to release the details on how we will address would-be or confirmed terrorists who may have information that could lead us to stop pending attacks."

" Techniques - ranging from waterboarding to sleep deprivation and slapping - seem to be rather benign given what goes on the world."

So, in other words, since there is so much cruelty and injustice in other parts of the world, we should just ignore the Geneva Convention?

Last edited by justNancy; 04-18-2009 at 03:50 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 04-18-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
2,917 posts, read 4,700,926 times
Reputation: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by GregW View Post
Protesting the release of SUPPOSEDLY TOP SECRET information is probably caused by a strong desire to cover his ass. Sounds like a Colonel in distress. l wonder what he did?
Well, Greg, it's like this: I guess you have no querying mind, so here's his bio: About Bob (http://bobmaginnis.com/aboutus.aspx - broken link)

I know there's more out there, but since you have not the conscious fortitude to look it up, well, just have to educate your liberals, huh?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 03:56 PM
 
27,622 posts, read 20,668,812 times
Reputation: 11088
Quote:
Originally Posted by justNancy View Post
It is only a bad strategy if we plan to use torture in the future. Here is a quote from the transcript.

" It's a strategic mistake on the part of the president to release the details on how we will address would-be or confirmed terrorists who may have information that could lead us to stop pending attacks."

" Techniques - ranging from waterboarding to sleep deprivation and slapping - seem to be rather benign given what goes on the world."

So, in other words, since there is so much cruelty and injustice in other parts of the world, we should just ignore the Geneva Convention?
Yes, not only ignoring The Geneva Convention, but setting our own captured military personnel up for the same treatment if they were to become prisoners in another country. Torture does not extract reliable information and this has been proven. These were sadistic acts and there were those that lost their jobs by refusing to take part in such barbaric behavior. Good for them in keeping their moral compass and integrity. As I have stated in previous posts...sweeping manure under the rug does not keep it from stinking.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 04:10 PM
 
Location: Michigan
5,374 posts, read 5,262,312 times
Reputation: 1633
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Planter View Post
I would be amused if it wasn't true. Sounds like a logical conclusion to me. There's also an audio of the interview. Why don't you just listen to it, hm?

Colonel slams Obama's release of Bush memos
He's been out of the service since 1993 and has been a "professional commentators/experts" ever since.


Robert L. Maginnis is a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, a Fox News contributor and a security analyst for a number of radio and television networks.

(from his bio sent to the media with his press releases)

(after listening) Either you support torture or you don't. But don't call foul, when the other side uses it.

Last edited by plannine; 04-18-2009 at 04:28 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 04:21 PM
 
Location: Harrisonville
1,837 posts, read 2,337,525 times
Reputation: 401
Quote:
Originally Posted by plannine View Post
He's been out of the service since 1993 and has been a "professional commentators/experts" ever since.


Robert L. Maginnis is a retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, a Fox News contributor and a security analyst for a number of radio and television networks.
(from his bio sent to the media with his press releases)

Much as it grieves me to have an unhappy Colonel running around loose this war has brought on a lot of unhappiness for a lot of people. There's the families of the 4,000 American dead, the 300,000 brain damaged, the 300,000 who'll have permanant psychological problems, the tens of thousands of amputees and uncounted thousands who's marriages, finances, careers and lives have been destroyed by the people who thought attacking Iraq was such a great idea. I don't know if this unhappy Colonel is one of them, but if he is he's just paying the price for his own stupidity and inhumanity. Empire builders and the devotees of tyrants in this country can only hide behind the robes of the terrorists for so long.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 08:26 PM
 
Location: Alvarado, TX
2,917 posts, read 4,700,926 times
Reputation: 802
Quote:
Originally Posted by plannine View Post
(after listening) Either you support torture or you don't. But don't call foul, when the other side uses it.
If torturing one fubar within an inch of his or even her life saves one soldier/sailor/airman/marine, I'm all for it. At least I've not heard of any beheading on our part, nor any hangings.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 11:03 PM
 
Location: on the edge of Sanity
14,268 posts, read 18,545,106 times
Reputation: 7976
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Planter View Post
If torturing one fubar within an inch of his or even her life saves one soldier/sailor/airman/marine, I'm all for it.
But it has been proven that torture does not accomplish this.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Planter View Post
At least I've not heard of any beheading on our part, nor any hangings.
Yes, true, and I'm not justifying such heinous acts, but why do we always hear about the crimes the other guys do to us instead of all the horrific things we've done to them, like invading their country?

How would you react if you woke up one day and your home was gone, your entire family was dead and the limbs of school children on their way to school were lying in the road? We are responsible for destroying a country and, because most of its people are Muslims, most Americans aren't upset about it.

Of course I felt only horror and sadness when I saw the pictures of the contractors who were hanged and burned in Fallujah. I cry for every American soldier who is killed or injured. But we never try to understand how others feel when we kill their loved ones. When there is a war, the government does its best to paint a picture of the enemy as something inhuman. We don't see the mothers and fathers screaming as they hold their dead children in their arms. It's all sanitized so we cheer on the mass murder.

If we invaded Iraq because of the WTC attacks, I might not be writing this. We all wanted revenge back then, but Bush lied to us since there was no Iraq connection. Of course I'm not a terrorist sympathizer, but now that the Bush has admitted that "no one ever thought Saddam Hussein was linked to 9/11," how do we justify the invasion? There were no WMDs, Osama Bin Laden was not in Iraq, so don't you think they have a right to be a little pissed at us?

Edit: Sorry for the long rant. I went off-topic again. Guess talking about war and torture gets me emotional!

Last edited by justNancy; 04-18-2009 at 11:27 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
5,041 posts, read 6,129,664 times
Reputation: 1483
How moronic.

The tactics have already been ended. These memos were merely the Bush Administration's legal reasoning (after the fact) justifying our torture regime. Releasing them means absolutely nothing to any terrorists - except that it showed how immoral and illegal the Bush Administration was.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 11:08 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
5,041 posts, read 6,129,664 times
Reputation: 1483
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Planter View Post
If torturing one fubar within an inch of his or even her life saves one soldier/sailor/airman/marine, I'm all for it. At least I've not heard of any beheading on our part, nor any hangings.
That's funny. It's exactly how a terrorist extremist thinks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 04-18-2009, 11:09 PM
 
4,459 posts, read 4,134,294 times
Reputation: 648
Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta Planter View Post
I would be amused if it wasn't true. Sounds like a logical conclusion to me. There's also an audio of the interview. Why don't you just listen to it, hm?

Colonel slams Obama's release of Bush memos
Who cares...
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Politics and Other Controversies
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2023, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top