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If you truly were in the military then you know that our Bothers & Sisters in the military at this moment swore allegience to the U.S. Constitution & not to the President nor the Government. Which means if these States go about this in a Constitutional way,which the President & the Government has not done, the Military will not take up arms against their own people.
If you think they will then you are out of touch with reality & the U. S. Constitution.
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE U.S.MILITARY
If you truly were in the military then you know that our Bothers & Sisters in the military at this moment swore allegience to the U.S. Constitution & not to the President nor the Government. Which means if these States go about this in a Constitutional way,which the President & the Government has not done, the Military will not take up arms against their own people.
If you think they will then you are out of touch with reality & the U. S. Constitution.
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE U.S.MILITARY
Nonsense, You've never served.
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Originally Posted by oath of enlistment
I, (name), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.
I can't be bothered to wade through this thread so I hope that this post isn't too redundant but...
The Declaration of Independence is not the law of the land, never has been.
Second, the issue of unilateral secession was not only settled by the Civil War but the Supreme Court decision in Texas v White.
Our founding fathers would not have outlawed something they consider a fundamental right of people (namely, to abolish, and replace, governments). And they didn't. Secession is not prohibited in the Constitution. TX v White isn't worth the paper it was written on.
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE U.S.MILITARY
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
ROLL UP YOUR SLEEVES & LET THE BATTLE BEGIN
GOD BLESS TEXAS & THE U.S.MILITARY
Officers take a different oath. As an officer, I was educated well enough to understand that "defending the Constitution" meant that I followed all legal orders. What wingnutswho have never served seem to think is that individuals get to interpret the Constitution. That's a complete fallacy that any current or former commissioned officer would just laugh at. States attempting to secede by force are involved in armed insurrection, which I as a commissioned officer would be obliged to put down. States attempting to secede by lawsuit at the Supreme Court, would not be involved in any action that warranted military intervention.
Since enlisted take an oath to obey their officers and officers are going to obey the legal orders of the chain of command. The military could be used to put down any armed secession effort. In fact it would probably be handled by federal law enforcement, as it was at Waco.
Yeah, Wallace, and Ross Barnett had the same theory about Brown v Board of Education. It didn't work for them either.
No comparison. TX v White's commentary on secession is purely non-binding dicta, and is merely Salmon Chase's own incoherent personal rambling about his views of American history (the case was about bonds, secession was not the issue at hand). He flat out ignores the fact the Constitution does not prohibit secession and the 10th Amendment reserves all such non-prohibited pwoers to the states and people, he quotes the Articles of Confederation entirely out of context as the main basis for his argument, and he ignores what the founding fathers firmly believed in as written in the Declaration of Independence. A kid could tear his argument to pieces.
In Brown v. Board of Education, Blacks were being deprived of equal rights/privileges, that was a 14th Amendment issue.
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