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Old 04-20-2009, 08:34 PM
 
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No, what he is doing is calling obama and his stooges on their irresponsible and dangerous behavior in releasing documents, techniques and methods having to do with national security.

But now that obama has went ahead and politicized our NS, he might as well declassify those documents showing what information we gleened from the interrogations, how many attacks were disrupted and how many lives might have been saved.

You would want to see that info.....wouldn't you?
I would like to see that, but am not stupid enough to think it would ever happen. Torture (if we agree to call it that) makes the Bush administration look bad. Disrputing terror makes them look good and of course we can't have that happen.

Maybe I have missed something but what exactly was the point of the initial information being released? Did President Obama say anything about why it needed to be released or what good it does for us? That's a serious question also. I have seen tons of info but I don't really see the point of it.

 
Old 04-20-2009, 08:37 PM
 
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There is a reason these records that Cheney has talked about remain classified. Could it be that there is information in them that actually would put us at risk if declassified???

Cheney basically is saying that 'all the good stuff about me has remained classified simply to make me look bad'.

Ya, OK...It's easy for him to request all these reports that "supposedly" put him in a more favorable light when he knows full well that they can never be brought to light at all!

He's a slippery eel and I don't believe a word he said.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Clearly for some reason you won't state your opinion.

True Cheney was against the initial release of the documents since he knew what was in them he felt their release would compromise national security.

Since the documents have been released and Cheney still knows what is in them he thinks the release of the rest of the documents will not compromise national security.

If you proceed on the premise that Cheney is right about the initial release of the documents because of his understanding of what was in them, then you must necessarily agree he is right now. Or do you contend he was right that the initial release compromised national security and wrong now? Has his knowledge of the documents between their initial release and now somehow diminished?

And if he was right initially then Obama was wrong.
Unassailable logic here.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 09:33 PM
 
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If Cheney wants to get everything on the table, why stop at the CIA memos, hell bring out the 9/11 reports which are all Sharpied with black permanent marker. How about bringing out some CIA memos pre 9/11?

So what does Cheney want the world to see, a bunch of intelligence laden with may, might be, countries like Iraq, possibly, could be, should be , I want it to be.

The fact of the matter is 9/11 happened on dumb and dumber's watch and the so called mastermind of it all is still running free, all 3 of them.
Maybe the kindergarten scribbles of the infamous non existent WMD's in Iraq. Remember those ridiculously rendered drawings of Saddam's secret weapon sites that were presented at the United Nations? Those are the reason that Colin Powell found the integrity to throw in the towel and excuse himself from hanging out with The Bush Crime Family. Those drawings looked as if they came off of the walls of a prehistoric cave. What a scam!
 
Old 04-20-2009, 09:51 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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There is a reason these records that Cheney has talked about remain classified. Could it be that there is information in them that actually would put us at risk if declassified???
See, that's just the point. The memos should never have been released in the first place - it was just a political stunt by obama to payoff the left-lunatics and try and make bush look bad.

Since he has politicized and given interrogation techniques and methods to the world, he should go ahead and release those that prove the techniques worked. But of course he won't do that - that would blow to smithereens the Left's talking point on "enhanced" interrogations.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 09:58 PM
 
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There is a reason these records that Cheney has talked about remain classified. Could it be that there is information in them that actually would put us at risk if declassified???
No. Declassifying the memos would have surely opened Cheney to war crimes prosecution. With Obama taking war crimes prosecution for the Bush administration off of the table Chaney has no reason to demand that the stay classified. Dick Chaney is a coward pure and simple.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 10:01 PM
 
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how well the interrogation techniques worked. As long as you have released selective memos - let's release those that show the results of the CIA's efforts.

Love it!

Let's see if obama has the acorns now that he has been called on his politicization of our national security.

DRUDGE REPORT: Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified 2009®

Let's see what the coward who is in the WH has to say now.
why wouldnt cheney and co show their failures? is he afraid his wrong doing will make him look bad

he thinks just cause there are efforts it means there arent failures
 
Old 04-20-2009, 10:03 PM
 
Location: Idaho Falls
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Originally Posted by sanrene View Post
how well the interrogation techniques worked. As long as you have released selective memos - let's release those that show the results of the CIA's efforts.

Love it!

Let's see if obama has the acorns now that he has been called on his politicization of our national security.

DRUDGE REPORT: Cheney Calls For More CIA Reports To Be Declassified 2009®



Let's see what the coward who is in the WH has to say now.
I'm kind of tired of seeing you schooled every time you post here.

You are aware that the memos were released pursuant to a lawsuit, right? If other memos are demanded in an FOIA lawsuit, and someone wants to go through years of legal maneuvering to get them released, then maybe they will be.

Maybe you have the guts to do that? I don't think so.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 10:04 PM
 
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Since he has politicized and given interrogation techniques and methods to the world, he should go ahead and release those that prove the techniques worked.
This is outright silliness. Torturing someone 183 times in one month or 83 times in one month actually shows that the techniques do not work. However what it does reveal is the abject savagery of the torturers; those CIA criminals did it for pleasure not for information. They should be prosecuted and thrown in jail for the rest of their lives.
 
Old 04-20-2009, 10:06 PM
 
Location: Hoboken
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No. Declassifying the memos would have surely opened Cheney to war crimes prosecution. With Obama taking war crimes prosecution for the Bush administration off of the table Chaney has no reason to demand that the stay classified. Dick Chaney is a coward pure and simple.
First off Obama did no such thing. He said the people who conducted the torture would not be punished because they based their actions on the AG's opinions.

Cheney did nothing illegal.

Everybody has to stop trying to criminalize political actions they don't agree with.

These war crime proponents are the same types as the Obama is not a citizen crowd.
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