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CNBC says 5, so I don't know what to tell you.
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I see. I'll keep forbes personally vs. CNBC, especially since I can't find individual studies that agree with their ranking. Hence, Mass. is at the bottom of the barrel.
I see. I'll keep forbes personally vs. CNBC, especially since I can't find individual studies that agree with their ranking. Hence, Mass. is at the bottom of the barrel.
This makes no sense. You can't just toss it out because you don't like it. This is the problem with conservatives. Facts mean **** to them/you.
Thing is what you are talking about happened 200+ years ago and was done by people in no way similar to current Bostonians, from what I see.
The people in New Mexico certainly took arms in defense of our country many times. That it didn't happen in the revolution means nothing.
Want to hear something meaningfull?
The people of New Mexico can still take up arms in defense of the country because the state of New Mexico respects the constitution you seem to feel so proud of.
However the good people of Massachusetts cannot do so without jumping thru hoops & leaping hurdles first. See, it really doesn't matter in this discussion what those gents 200 years ago did or how they felt. What matters in the context of this discussion is that MA regularly ignores the Constitution and violates peoples civil rights on a whim. That is reality and that is liberalism. As liberalism & liberty cannot co-exist, regardless of your version of history.
How well do you think it would have gone over to tell George Washington & Ben Franklin they would be arrested if they came to your state armed?
What are you talking about it? This is very non-sensical. So people in New Mexico get to carry guns, good for them....Last I checked Massachusetts has had no reason to rebel against the nation it founded. People are pretty content with it. We're buy curing cancer and making new technologies so that those on this forum can post crap faster. You know stuff like that. I would hardly consider gun carrying an important personal freedom. But for ****s and giggles, it's legal to carry a gun into a church on Sunday in MA.
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ALL of New England lobbyed for the war. Of course MA was wealthier, it had a bigger population & was more influential. But that population and wealth couldn't help when the Britts started cutting them off. Without the rest of us you wouldn't have made it.
As to which states enjoy greater freedom, just about all of them save Cali, NY, NJ, MD & DC. Heck you should know that you are bordered to the north by much more free states and to the south by one thats catching up but not there yet.
Numbers are nice to look at & stats can be meaningfull, but going & seeing how the people live is a better litmus. I know people in NH who dont make near what I can & live in cute little houses but are quite content & happy. On the other hand I often work for rich people in CT who can get anything they want whenever they want but cant buy happiness.
Life, Liberty & the Pursuit of Happiness. Not much room in there for liberal nanny state socialism. No guaretees, except a chance.
So you're bitter? Makes sense.
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I call your Mass and raise you Virginia.
Two words: Screw Virginia! You guys lost your place in the Union when you rebelled against it.
I'm begining to think ALL conservatives really were "educated" at Beck University. He must deny the very existence of Massachusetts in any form.
One, the ENTIRE war would have beem lost if not for the French, Spanish Empire and Dutch Republic. Not because of Fort Ticonderoga. By all accounts, Massachusetts was the first colony to be liberated.
It really was the revolutionaries in Massachusetts who pushed independence in the CC and across the colonies. Very few people were initially interested in shaking off the Brits.
Two, Massachusetts was literally the wealthiest colony. It's money came from it's large merchant class, who traded with the far east before anyone. The ports of Boston and Salem were the wealthiest in the nation. Well ahead of Philly and New York.
can you cite specific examples in which Bay Staters are less free than some of their counterparts elsewhere? B/c I just came back from Cali-and I felt oppressed. Random ID checks, police blockades on the highways between SD and LA, a hefty fines from cell phone usage to jaywalking, to paying through the ass in taxes-9.75% sales tax in LA County, btw. I think we're pretty well off here in MA.
We're talking the beginning of the Revolution before widespread foreign support (which was vital later to our winning, but early on, there was little foreign aid, the reason for supply shortages early on). The Patriots in MA had little ammunition and primarily just small arms, until the weaponry from Ticonderoga was brought over.
The Continental Congress wasn't talking independence seriously other than a few "radicals" until Fort Ticonderoga happened and forced them to take a stand. It shocked Congress when the fort was taken.
Vermont was arguably the first liberated state, though its borders weren't drawn yet. The Green Mountain Boys had been resisting outside government since the 1760's and VT was, for all practical purposes, not really effectively governed by the British (who didn't care to devote resources to what was a frontier at the time). VT'ers just ignored the government when they wanted, and when people were sent to force issues, the VT'ers ran them out.
The Southern planters were quite wealthy and not jumping for war initially (and New England's shipping was quite dependent on the South, given the Triangle trade in slaves, etc.). The MA merchants and shipping businesses were losing money because of British policies, which gave them a reason for wanting independence.
CA may make MA look more free but it's nowhere close to as free as, for example, NH, Vermont, Alaska...
Let's see: gun laws. Some of the most popular firearms are banned in MA, owning and carrying a gun in MA requires licenses that are sometimes flat out not given by some anti towns. Even a nailgun requires a gun license there. If you want to build or remodel in MA, there's strict, expensive permit laws that are just revenue laws in reality. Laws force you to hire licensed contractors in some cases whereas people can do their own work elsewhere. The hunting and trapping laws in MA are downright restrictive and absurd compared to most of the U.S. The fruit and nut extremist fringe of the environmental movement is working to ban logging in state forests down there (forests created to ensure a sustainable supply of timber and wildlife). MA will be just like CA given enough time. An over-regulated, over-taxed tinderbox run by the fringes.
I don't have anything against New England; it's a very nice part of the country. But I would hardly say it's a model for the rest of the country. While most of the country has been growing by leaps and bounds over the past 60 years, New England has hovered around the same population figures. When you think about it, what is it that makes New England so nice? It's the old charm; it's the old houses and the countryside. It's the quaint towns. That's nice, I'm not knocking it. But it's hardly a sign that it's a good place for business. You take a place like Portland, Maine. Very nice town, but what's it got? Some used bookstores and record shops? Coffee shops? It's not what growing business friendly cities look like.
The crime may be higher in some more conservative states, but that's hardly a failure of conservative policies. Let's see Vermont have a population that's a quarter black and see if there wouldn't have been any racial strife 60 years ago. And where there are minority-majority areas in New England, there generally not great places. I'd hardly say those parts of Bridgeport are anything to brag about racial equality and harmony.
So I'm not knocking New England. It's a nice area, but I'd hardly say that's proof liberalism is better than conservatism.
Two words: Screw Virginia! You guys lost your place in the Union when you rebelled against it.
You were referring to the revolutionary era, in which Virginia played a role arguably even more prominent then Mass. They were the highest populated colony and had much of the wealth, not too mention several of our founding fathers and early Presidents. I am not a Virginian, but just wanted to point that out since you were basically describing Mass as a one man army against the British. It was a mutually beneficial coalition, just like we enjoy today.
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I don't have anything against New England; it's a very nice part of the country. But I would hardly say it's a model for the rest of the country. While most of the country has been growing by leaps and bounds over the past 60 years, New England has hovered around the same population figures. When you think about it, what is it that makes New England so nice? It's the old charm; it's the old houses and the countryside. It's the quaint towns. That's nice, I'm not knocking it. But it's hardly a sign that it's a good place for business. You take a place like Portland, Maine. Very nice town, but what's it got? Some used bookstores and record shops? Coffee shops? It's not what growing business friendly cities look like.
The crime may be higher in some more conservative states, but that's hardly a failure of conservative policies. Let's see Vermont have a population that's a quarter black and see if there wouldn't have been any racial strife 60 years ago. And where there are minority-majority areas in New England, there generally not great places. I'd hardly say those parts of Bridgeport are anything to brag about racial equality and harmony.
So I'm not knocking New England. It's a nice area, but I'd hardly say that's proof liberalism is better than conservatism.
That's mostly because of weather....really. Not so much to do with liberal policies.....
MN is a liberal (or leaning liberal state) where the population has modestly grown, more than any Northeastern state, where the weather is worse than NE.
That's mostly because of weather....really. Not so much to do with liberal policies.....
MN is a liberal (or leaning liberal state) where the population has modestly grown, more than any Northeastern state, where the weather is worse than NE.
Seriously? You're going to blame this on the weather? Arizona has extreme weather and it took off. Look, if Maine was an attractive site for business, people would move there.
You can't compare California to New England. The population of California is MORE then the entire population of New England combined. In fact, there are cities in California more populace then the ENTIRE state of Maine. Crime rates are totally different, attitudes, cultural issues, et al come into play.
You can argue it all you want: Liberalism has run California for the past 50+ years and its policies are a failure. This state is near bankruptcy and, it does have alot to do with its liberal policies. California and this country just cannot go on, giving away money. Its as simple as that.
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Seriously? You're going to blame this on the weather? Arizona has extreme weather and it took off. Look, if Maine was an attractive site for business, people would move there.
Don't play dumb, you know people, in this country, will tolerate exterme heat over extreme cold. That's why Arizona has the population it does.
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