13 yr old Arizona Teen strip searched for Aspirin - UPDATE: Supreme Court ruled search illegal (Ohio, kids)

[TigerLily24]

Originally Posted by Rggr

I haven't read Thomas' dissenting opinion; does anyone know what his rationale was?

Here is his thinking:

"In a dissent, Justice Clarence Thomas said the search had been legal and the court previously had given school officials "considerable leeway" under the Fourth Amendment in school settings. In this case, officials had searched the girl's backpack and found nothing, Thomas said. "It was eminently reasonable to conclude the backpack was empty because Redding was secreting the pills in a place she thought no one would look," he said.
Thomas warned that the majority's decision could backfire. "Redding would not have been the first person to conceal pills in her undergarments," he said. "Nor will she be the last after today's decision, which announces the safest place to secrete contraband in school.""


Strip search of Ariz. teenager illegal, court says - Yahoo! News (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090625/ap_on_go_su_co/us_supreme_court_strip_search - broken link)

[Drover]

Originally Posted by Rggr

I haven't read Thomas' dissenting opinion; does anyone know what his rationale was?

His rationale was that the in loco parentis doctrine has become so muddled as to be arbitrary and meaningless. On that, he may have a point. His dissent advocates the complete restoration of in loco parentis. For me, that's a bridge too far. I sure as hell don't want any school to have complete de-facto parental authority over my kid(s). He has consistently railed against what he sees as the continual weakening of in loco parentis so his dissent comes as little surprise.

[Rggr]

Originally Posted by Drover

His rationale was that the in loco parentis doctrine has become so muddled as to be arbitrary and meaningless. On that, he may have a point. His dissent advocates the complete restoration of in loco parentis. For me, that's a bridge too far. I sure as hell don't want any school to have complete de-facto parental authority over my kid(s).

Thanks. I agree.

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by Drover

His rationale was that the in loco parentis doctrine has become so muddled as to be arbitrary and meaningless. On that, he may have a point. His dissent advocates the complete restoration of in loco parentis. For me, that's a bridge too far. I sure as hell don't want any school to have complete de-facto parental authority over my kid(s). He has consistently railed against what he sees as the continual weakening of in loco parentis so his dissent comes as little surprise.

I'll home school before I let that happen to my kid.Heck,they don't learn anything in public school anymore anyway.

[PaxUniversum]

That is just perverse and wrong. All people have a right to their privacy. If I was the little girl, I would have ran out of the room and probably out of the school and called the police.

The school officials who did the search should be prosecuted. This is unacceptable.

[texdav]

If she was thouyght to have violated the presecption drug laws they should have contacted the police and then the parent. Surely any parent would be concerned thinking that hshe might have a substance that could do her harm . Since she is a juvenile in most states the police would have handled it much differently IMO.I also imagine child protective services would ahve want her medcially examined to make sure she had not taken any pills.IOf a serach was called for then it would ahve been a legal decision of serach which it was not in this case since it was not done by a law enrorcement officer.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by PaxUniversum

That is just perverse and wrong. All people have a right to their privacy. If I was the little girl, I would have ran out of the room and probably out of the school and called the police.

The school officials who did the search should be prosecuted. This is unacceptable.

Would you feel the same way if it had been her parents, not school officials, who demanded the strip search?

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by ergohead

Would you feel the same way if it had been her parents, not school officials, who demanded the strip search?

Whole different ball game then,but that's NOT what happened is it.I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY parent worth their salt WANTING school officials to strip search their child.

[ergohead]

Originally Posted by muleskinner

Whole different ball game then,but that's NOT what happened is it.I cannot for the life of me imagine ANY parent worth their salt WANTING school officials to strip search their child.

I've known Catholics who sent their kids to Catholic schools because the sadism of the nuns, used to discipline their kids, was something they considered beneficial, but beyond their own means as mere mortals.

The nuns were not into sex - but they rather enjoyed violence - and especially for treatment of sex.

Like I've said for a long time, Western civilization and Western religion were never able to get a handle on sex.

[Swampmonster]

Originally Posted by ergohead

I've known Catholics who sent their kids to Catholic schools because the sadism of the nuns, used to discipline their kids, was something they considered beneficial, but beyond their own means as mere mortals.

The nuns were not into sex - but they rather enjoyed violence - and especially for treatment of sex.

Like I've said for a long time, Western civilization and Western religion were never able to get a handle on sex.

And never will IMO.

I've had friends who fought their way through those Catholic schools and I don't know how they did it without becoming serial killers

I had some pretty rough teachers,but NOTHING to match the tales they would tell.Although I'm 100% for corporal punishment by teachers for misbehaving,there is a huge difference between punishment and the sadism that the Catholic schools dished out on a regular basis. I have zero respect for any "parent" who allows their child to be abused in any way at all.